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Building a 383 stroker - Enter At Your Own Risk

Yes, I read something about keeping the oil off the crankshaft somewhere. It said to get some 1/4 inch pipe nipples and cut them in half. Then screw them into the center oil returns in the lifter valley so the oil will drain thru the ends back to the oil pan. Keeps the oil off the crank to prevent foaming. Screaming metal, you a pretty smart feller.
 
One Final thing, you must check this. If your gonna run a dressup kit, check it on this motor. Make sure the dipstick will clear things before putting the pan on. Some aftermarket dipstick tubes will allow the dipstick to get caught up in there.
I first noticed this back in the mid/late 80's when this motor was popular in the sprintcars....
During a race the motor ate the end off the dipstick, and said motor was lost....
If you check and theres some interference, just bend the tube slightly and/or the dipstick both....to gain the clearance you need.

hahaha, back in the 80's, I'd blown up enough of these puppies to know what works and what won't.....They are a Beast when running right, and when they blow, they tear everything up....
 
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Thanks, that's something I would not have thought about.
Looks like I may be waiting a while before I start assembly anyway. The weather people are calling for a bunch of snow here. 5 to 7 inches is the last forecast that is believable. One forecast is calling for 12 inches of fluffy stuff. I live pretty far off the beaten path so Fed Ex and UPS will probably not deliver if we get that much here. Don't think I'll get the rotating assembly till Friday anyway, even without the snow.
 
When I built my stroker motor , both the pan rails & the lower edge of some cylinder walls had to be clearanced , easy to do w/a rotary file.... restricting the oil flow around the cam is not a good idea if you're running a flat tappet , w/ today's oils, they need all the lubrication they can get..... running a rack & pinion w/ a straight axle is NOT a good idea, I know there are some who think it's fine , but the majority differs... [by majority I mean "of those who understand front end geometry"]
A. you'll never be able to accurately set toe because chassis height will constantly change it .
B. Trying to control a vehicle ,at speed, w/ the toe constantly changing might not be fun
C. Tire wear would be excessive
probably more but my ! finger is tired
dave
 
I bought an assembled head with springs. The springs that come on it are only good to a .550 lift. They should work good for my .490 lift cam. Don't really want more spring than I need. Makes stuff wear out quicker.View attachment 10967 Here is what they say on the kit add, to grind off for up to a .580 lift cam. I was wondering about the oil pan, but if you have a 400 stroker with a stock pan my 383 should clear too. I'll be turning everything over by hand all thru assembly to make sure nothing binds, hits, or is just too tight.
Your cam will specify the correct spring seat pressure and coil bind requirements. I normally buy the springs with the cam and lifters to avoid float or excessive lobe wear. It seems a waste to not use new springs on new heads though. I did that on one and ended up breaking a spring and had to tear it down one replace all the springs in the car...not fun. That was the price of that lesson, lol.
 
Your cam will specify the correct spring seat pressure and coil bind requirements. I normally buy the springs with the cam and lifters to avoid float or excessive lobe wear. It seems a waste to not use new springs on new heads though. I did that on one and ended up breaking a spring and had to tear it down one replace all the springs in the car...not fun. That was the price of that lesson, lol.
Also, did the machine shop hone the block to the Pistons? They need to be honed to fit each piston to the corresponding cylinder. If you know this and done it, disregard my post, just a thought.
 
When I built my stroker motor , both the pan rails & the lower edge of some cylinder walls had to be clearanced , easy to do w/a rotary file.... restricting the oil flow around the cam is not a good idea if you're running a flat tappet , w/ today's oils, they need all the lubrication they can get..... running a rack & pinion w/ a straight axle is NOT a good idea, I know there are some who think it's fine , but the majority differs... [by majority I mean "of those who understand front end geometry"]
A. you'll never be able to accurately set toe because chassis height will constantly change it .
B. Trying to control a vehicle ,at speed, w/ the toe constantly changing might not be fun
C. Tire wear would be excessive
probably more but my ! finger is tired
dave
Regarding the oil, you can not run a flat tappet cam with today's oil! It has to be synthetic, rotela, or you have to add an additive that contains zink and phosferous. The new oils do not contain those elements due to new engines are rollerized and don't require metal to metal friction inhibitors. You will wipe the lobes on your cam if you do not use the propper lubricant.
 
Zinc is very important for flat tappets and is missing from most oils as pointed out. In all my old cars I run Amsoil Z-rod. It's a high zinc content synthetic made specifically for older engines and works great at protecting flat tappet camshafts.

On clearance, I'll be surprised if it fits without needing a little trimming here or there. I've built several of these engines for customers and every one of them needed some metal removed somewhere. I guess it's possible that someone is making a rotating assembly that fits without trimming, but I'd check everything very very close to be sure!
 
If you are worried about the what oil to run and should I add ZDDP to keep the camshaft lobes happy, then you might consider running "Royal Purple HPS". It Does Not meet manufactures spec since they call for with little or no ZDDP ..... this is what RP has to say:

"HPS is high performance street motor oil recommended for vehicles no longer under manufacturer warranty and for those seeking a higher level of performance and protection."

I am assuming that you will NOT have a catalytic converter on your TBucket, if you do then this is not the oil for you. Also don't use it for break-in oil, it's a synthetic oil.

Below is the whole blurb for RP, along with the link.

Royal Purple HPS Series motor oil is specifically formulated to maximize performance and meet the demands of high performance and modified engines. HPS is high performance street motor oil recommended for vehicles no longer under manufacturer warranty and for those seeking a higher level of performance and protection.

http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/hps-motor-oil/

"Royal Purple HPS Series motor oil is specifically formulated to maximize performance and meet the demands of high performance and modified engines. HPS is high performance street motor oil recommended for vehicles no longer under manufacturer warranty and for those seeking a higher level of performance and protection.

Royal Purple’s HPS is fortified with a high level of zinc/phosphorus anti-wear additive and Royal Purple’s proprietary Synerlec® additive technology. This unique blend enables HPS to outperform leading high performance synthetic oils and conventional lubricants for both gasoline and diesel engines. Available viscosities include: 5W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50.

Royal Purple HPS Series of motor oil responds to increased pressure with increased viscosity. Improved sealing between the piston ring and cylinder wall maximizes horsepower and torque. Its advanced additive technologies improve the condition of metal-to-metal contact under severe load. The advantages are clear. Take a look at the following photos:"

RoyalPurpleHPS.png
 
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Royal Purple was my plan, except for the 500 mile break in, where I was going to use the regular oil with the ZDDP additive.
@Dave, The reason I'm going with the rack and pinion steering is to help prevent bump steer. Every condition you listed is present no matter what kind of steering set up is used. I listen to all comments and may change my mind accordingly, but it's to late in this case. I already paid over $300 for the rack and pinion so I will be using it. If I find it has too many bad side effects I'll change it a little ways down he road. Thanks anyway. :)
@fletcherson, I realize the importance of a piston fitting the bore of the cylinder. It's all about tolerance. The tolerance of the bore is (I think) +.0025/ -.0003. I could look in the book but I think that's the bore tolerance. The piston is also made with a tolerance, that fits inside the bore tolerance. The piston will probably need to be deburred but, when everything is "in tolerance" it all fits together correctly. It would be a good comedy to watch a engine assembly line if they were test fitting each piston to each cylinder, lol. They wouldn't get many engines built. Please don't be upset with me, as I have heard this from other people as well, so it is a common belief. After 30 years of machining and making auto parts by the thousands, I learned that a part that is in tolerance (and looks good) will fit in its mating part, as long as that mating part is in tolerance. (The looks good part is simply for the buyers satisfaction.) I do agree with you on the oil for the camshaft, containing enough Zinc, or ZDDP. :)
 
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"In tolerance " is a looooong way from blueprinting , why bother to "build" an engine w/o blueprinting ??? Might just as well have bought a crate engine ....:rolleyes:
dave
 
Sorry Dave I'm afraid I don't understand your statement. Are you saying blueprinted engines don't have tolerances? I have never blueprinted an engine so I'm not sure what you mean. Help me out here, cause it's not too late to change my build. I always thought blueprinting meant matching an engine to the print. In other words making sure everything was in tolerance.
 
LOL, here it is. I found a definition for blueprinting an engine.

Generally speaking, it's a cool-sounding term thrown out at automotive B.S. sessions...

Back in the day, automotive engines were mass-produced by hand and assembled mostly by hand..Some of them could be pretty ratty. Enthusiasts of high-performance cars would tear down their engines and "blueprint" them..Build them to very carefully controlled tolerances of fit, timing and balance in hopes of gaining improved reliability, performance and engine life..

Todays engines are assembled with much tighter tolerances than those of yesteryears. My block is a 1974 so blueprinting would apply to it. The machine shop I use, blueprinted the engine to factory specs. That is todays factory specs. I checked with a bore gauge and all eight cylinders are on the mean within .0005. So a half a thousandths is blueprinted enough for me. The rotating assembly is balance to within 2 grams. Guaranteed up to 7000 RPM. This motor will be lucky to see 5500 RPM. Unless I take it to the 1/4 mile track.

This hot rod t-bucket is being built for diddyboppin around town and maybe hittin the highway for short runs to a car show in St. Louis or Springfield. If I want to smoke the tires a little, I should have no problems with this engine being up to the task on a 1500 lb. car.
So yes Dave, the block has been blueprinted and balanced. However a crate engine would have been just fine if I could afford one. ;-)
 
That's great that the bores are all the same , but are the pistons ? I highly doubt it . What about rod & main bearings , within a 1/2 thousands as well , lifter bores , block align bored , deck heights , etc. ??? I'll agree that today's tolerances are better than yesteryear's , but in the words of some long forgotten philosipher " What is good enough ??
dave
BTW a gen II sbc short block can be had for less than $1500...
 
I haven't got the rotating assembly yet so have no idea if the pistons are all exactly the same or the rods. Pistons should be 4.029 but I don't have a 4-5" mic so I'll be checking with calipers and that isn't accurate enough to determine fit. So I'll probably use the feeler gauge technique. I'll put the piston in the bore and see how much room I have between the cylinder wall and the piston. .001 to .0015 would be perfect, but I'll go up to .002. Deck height is 9.015 which is the claimed height of the piston. At least that is what I requested from the machinist. Not sure what it is since I don't know how to check it. Probably the measurement from the centerline of the crank to the deck. As long as my flat top pistons don't go above the deck I'll be happy. Hopefully they will be flush.
As far as getting a 383 short block for $1500, you must have some good connections. Cheapest I could find was over $2000 not including shipping. My whole engine will be about $2500 complete with aluminum heads, intake, and carb. Should make around 425 HP. That will put a grin on my chin. :)
 
Probe forged "FPS' pistons recomended clearance is .002-.005 per their website.
remember that forged expands more than cast or hyper.. better to take the pistons to the machine shop to have them measured & fitted.
dave
 
Yup your right. The book I'm going by says at .006 bore clearance the block needs to be rebored. Shows what David Vizard knows. lol
 
Royal Purple was my plan, except for the 500 mile break in, where I was going to use the regular oil with the ZDDP additive.
@Dave, The reason I'm going with the rack and pinion steering is to help prevent bump steer. Every condition you listed is present no matter what kind of steering set up is used. I listen to all comments and may change my mind accordingly, but it's to late in this case. I already paid over $300 for the rack and pinion so I will be using it. If I find it has too many bad side effects I'll change it a little ways down he road. Thanks anyway. :)
@fletcherson, I realize the importance of a piston fitting the bore of the cylinder. It's all about tolerance. The tolerance of the bore is (I think) +.0025/ -.0003. I could look in the book but I think that's the bore tolerance. The piston is also made with a tolerance, that fits inside the bore tolerance. The piston will probably need to be deburred but, when everything is "in tolerance" it all fits together correctly. It would be a good comedy to watch a engine assembly line if they were test fitting each piston to each cylinder, lol. They wouldn't get many engines built. Please don't be upset with me, as I have heard this from other people as well, so it is a common belief. After 30 years of machining and making auto parts by the thousands, I learned that a part that is in tolerance (and looks good) will fit in its mating part, as long as that mating part is in tolerance. (The looks good part is simply for the buyers satisfaction.) I do agree with you on the oil for the camshaft, containing enough Zinc, or ZDDP. :)
Your call, your engine. But every engine I have built and every engine builder I know does it the way I described. The thing is, in an assembly line, and I have never worked on one, they have control over all of the production standards on all the parts, not so with different manufactures. There are also different variables with different materials used to make the Pistons and rings and they have different requirements. I am surprised that the machine shop bored and honed the block without having the pistons on hand. They have to bore and hone each cylinder at a time, so it's not a big deal to make them fit as they go. It only takes 1 bad cylinder to waste a otherwise good engine. I will take the safe route personally. I hope it works out for you! No sweat about me being upset, I was just adding my experience to aid in case you didn't know, no biggie.
 

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