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Unusual front ends

There's a lot of OEM motorcycle mono shock linkages that would work for the front of a T.


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This pic is posted on this website under photographs but I thought it would be worthwhile to post it here also. All scratch built independent suspension on my 23 Ford T-bucket. Chrome done by Ogden Chrome in Ogden, Utah. Wilwood polished aluminum calipers. Wiring will be completed hopefully by the end of next week and then needs interior. Front left independent suspension.jpg
 
Very nice Dave.
 
An old design exercise that was attempting to retain some of the traditional appearance of bucket fronts, It uses a torsion bar enclosed in the lower tube that runs under the frame rails. Lots of work and one-off parts.

 
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An old design exercise that was attempting to retain some of the traditional appearance of bucket fronts, It uses a torsion bar enclosed in the lower tube that runs under the frame rails. Lots of work and one-off parts.

There is a few torsion bar Ts running around in the UK, but the bar is housed inside the chassis rail.
 
Here are a couple of shots of a friends front suspension. The chassis is all custom bent tubing for his '27 Track T. The coil overs end up hidden in the track nose.





Jim
 
That's gonna be one nice car. Wish I had a way to get good bends like that.

I don't see how guys can figure out all the geometry of an A-arm front end. It's beyond me.
 
Check out this axle.

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Hmmm...... interesting. Truly one of a kind.
 
As a fabricator looking at the tube bends on the '27 Track T I'm very impressed.Very well thought out. It shows real ingenuity and attention to detail. Keep up the good work.
 
My front end has some unusual features. It's a Speedway 4-bar, but we made a few changes. That black cylinder is a steering damper made for motorcycles. It's adjustable and looks real nice. The bikers get the good stuff.

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The shocks are adjustable rotary hydraulic units, which were used on all cars until 1948, when cheap tube shocks displaced them:
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I replaced the Panhard rod with this:
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It's my version of a Mumford linkage, which itself is a variation on the Watts linkage. Keeps the axle laterally centered. Very important when the rack & pinion is frame mount.
Here's a close up of the middle, just two wheels linked, with rods going to the lower mount of the batwings:
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I have a spare 36 Pontiac Knee action front suspension we thought about using for something different Tube axle with trailing arms similar to an old VW
Also have a modified Model A frame that was under a T buck that has a torsion bar front suspension The paper work= part receipts said from Morris minor.
 
My front end has some unusual features. It's a Speedway 4-bar, but we made a few changes. That black cylinder is a steering damper made for motorcycles. It's adjustable and looks real nice. The bikers get the good stuff.

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The shocks are adjustable rotary hydraulic units, which were used on all cars until 1948, when cheap tube shocks displaced them:
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I replaced the Panhard rod with this:
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It's my version of a Mumford linkage, which itself is a variation on the Watts linkage. Keeps the axle laterally centered. Very important when the rack & pinion is frame mount.
Here's a close up of the middle, just two wheels linked, with rods going to the lower mount of the batwings:
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I like the steering damper idea. I need that on mine!!!
 
I have a spare 36 Pontiac Knee action front suspension we thought about using for something different Tube axle with trailing arms similar to an old VW
Also have a modified Model A frame that was under a T buck that has a torsion bar front suspension The paper work= part receipts said from Morris minor.
One of the magazine writers ( Jim McFarland ?) Did a series on making a T front-end using a Morris minor torsion bar , IIRC it was late 60s ,early 70s , I think I still have the articles ..
 

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