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Johnny

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Well, I've looked at the Chevy crate engine 350/290HP. Lowest price I've found was $1949. Good price??? Kept checking other places and found 350/300HP H.O. for $1395. plus $295. core. Both are 4 bolt mains. The 300HP has hypereutectic pistons, Moly rings, double row timing set, 1-piece stainless steel valves and matching springs 550 lift max. Chrome valve covers, timing cover, and oil pan.
What should I do?

Thanks guys
 
You couldn't build an engine with all new parts for that kind of money. Crate engines come with a warranty too. There's something to be said about having a powerplant ready to drop in the hole and run.
 
All the guys that I have known that bought crate engines, took them all apart and had them balanced and blue printed and some found what would have been problems during dis-assembly, like lose (not correct torque) rod nuts, and/or etc. etc. or clearances wrong... So, it is always best to double check before all that work of doing it over after it has been installed with much loving care... Never time to do it right, but always time to do it over, so they say... :)
 
I'm with Ironhead on this one.

If it's an honest 300 HP, there's no way to do it for that price. If it's a lean back in the chair and look up at the ceiling 300 HP, then anything goes.

The problem is the way things get worded. And people let themselves be lured into the verbal traps, because they're trying to save a buck. Case in point would be the moly rings.

You can buy a Federal Mogul/Sealed Power moly ring set for $37.99, all day long. So, riddle me this. Why in the world would anyone ever choose to spend $102.99 on a Speed Pro moly ring set? Hey, a moly ring set is a moly ring set, aye? Not even close! Put the cheap rings on a piston and stick it in the bore upside-down. Hook a simple fish scale up to the wrist pin and see what kind of drag you get, pulling those rings through the cylinder. Repeat with the high-dollar ring set. Amazing, isn't it?

A double row timing set is not the same thing as a double-roller timing set, either.

If this company is getting $300 for a core, then we're talking about an $1100 engine. You just can't do one, at least not doing it right, for that kind of money. By the time you hot tank a block, bore it, hone it and replace the cam bearings and freeze plugs, you're going to have about $250 in it. Does it need align-honed? Does it need to be decked? Turn the crank and you've got another $100 or so wrapped up. Resize a set of rods and put a decent bolt set in them and your edging up close to another $150. We've eaten up 1/2 that price and we're not finished with machine work yet. Hot tank the heads, check them for cracks, do a valve job, install a set of screw-in studs (you're not going to run a set of springs that big without them) and you're in for another $250. You've not milled the heads yet, nor have you installed any bronze guide liners. You've got what, $300 - $350 left to play with? It's going to be tough to get anyone to assemble an engine for anything less than $150 and that's a give-away price. So you're down to $150 - $200 and you've not bought a single part. A set of hypereutectic pistons and a cheap ring set are going to get you another $120. A set of regular mains and rods are going to ding you another $50. Oil pump will get you the best part of $30. You just ran out of money and you still need cam, lifters, timing set, gaskets, etc. And you're changing pistons without balancing the bottom end?

Now, if you're dealing with someone that grinds the two crank journals that need it, resizes the one rod that needs it and bores the two cylinders that are the worst, you ~might~ be able to build something for a grand. You get what you pay for.

Ted, several years back, we did a standard 350 rebuild that we sold on an exchange basis. We used to sell a lot of them and some of our best customers were the Chevy dealers in the area. One of those dealers owned an NHRA Pro Stock car his service manager drove, so I knew them well enough to ask why they would pick us over the old Target engines GM made available. I got a chance to see one of those motors and you could have knocked me down with a feather. If they had a crank that got trashed on one journal, they would turn it as far as they needed and would install a bearing to fit it. That stuff was all built out of parts that were not going to cut it on quality control, so they would sweep them into a big pile and do whatever they had to do to assemble them. Problem was, the dealers were smart enough to see you just couldn't build engines that cheap and they started looking into them. It sure provided a lot of business for us.
 
I have the same 290hp/350 in mine, and it has been well worth it, I know its not the 10,000 hp big block that most people wanna put in a bucket but even with the 3.08 gears, you shower down on it and you see its enough for a tbucket. Thats just my opinion though.
 
Thats a good deal if its a decent motor. I had $900 in machine work alone, another $900 or so in parts. And I still needed an intake, carb, ignition. At the end I "should" be making about 300hp with the cam, carb, piston setup I have.

Of course I do not have a warranty on mine though.
 
I put a 350/290HP in my pickup. No problems with it at all.
 
I put a 350/290HP in my pickup. No problems with it at all.

This is starting to get me worried.
I bought a 350 GM crate engine from GM years ago
Its the 350 HO they offered for rods and mild race application. As I said it came from GM not some secondary manufacturer.
The dyno sheet supplied with it showed 357 BHP.
So my question is...
Is this just a 'put it together and wait for the bang' engine or did GM make their own at that time (20 plus years ago) Their claim was they uses all the past experience from the factory race division to put together a reliable and powerful product. It was even featured in the US mags
All the paperwork was GM. Including the spec sheet.

tried to upload a pic here but it failed

Bet Mike knows....

Gerry
 
I'm with Ironhead on this one.

If it's an honest 300 HP, there's no way to do it for that price. If it's a lean back in the chair and look up at the ceiling 300 HP, then anything goes.

The problem is the way things get worded. And people let themselves be lured into the verbal traps, because they're trying to save a buck. Case in point would be the moly rings.

You can buy a Federal Mogul/Sealed Power moly ring set for $37.99, all day long. So, riddle me this. Why in the world would anyone ever choose to spend $102.99 on a Speed Pro moly ring set? Hey, a moly ring set is a moly ring set, aye? Not even close! Put the cheap rings on a piston and stick it in the bore upside-down. Hook a simple fish scale up to the wrist pin and see what kind of drag you get, pulling those rings through the cylinder. Repeat with the high-dollar ring set. Amazing, isn't it?

A double row timing set is not the same thing as a double-roller timing set, either.

If this company is getting $300 for a core, then we're talking about an $1100 engine. You just can't do one, at least not doing it right, for that kind of money. By the time you hot tank a block, bore it, hone it and replace the cam bearings and freeze plugs, you're going to have about $250 in it. Does it need align-honed? Does it need to be decked? Turn the crank and you've got another $100 or so wrapped up. Resize a set of rods and put a decent bolt set in them and your edging up close to another $150. We've eaten up 1/2 that price and we're not finished with machine work yet. Hot tank the heads, check them for cracks, do a valve job, install a set of screw-in studs (you're not going to run a set of springs that big without them) and you're in for another $250. You've not milled the heads yet, nor have you installed any bronze guide liners. You've got what, $300 - $350 left to play with? It's going to be tough to get anyone to assemble an engine for anything less than $150 and that's a give-away price. So you're down to $150 - $200 and you've not bought a single part. A set of hypereutectic pistons and a cheap ring set are going to get you another $120. A set of regular mains and rods are going to ding you another $50. Oil pump will get you the best part of $30. You just ran out of money and you still need cam, lifters, timing set, gaskets, etc. And you're changing pistons without balancing the bottom end?

Now, if you're dealing with someone that grinds the two crank journals that need it, resizes the one rod that needs it and bores the two cylinders that are the worst, you ~might~ be able to build something for a grand. You get what you pay for.

Ted, several years back, we did a standard 350 rebuild that we sold on an exchange basis. We used to sell a lot of them and some of our best customers were the Chevy dealers in the area. One of those dealers owned an NHRA Pro Stock car his service manager drove, so I knew them well enough to ask why they would pick us over the old Target engines GM made available. I got a chance to see one of those motors and you could have knocked me down with a feather. If they had a crank that got trashed on one journal, they would turn it as far as they needed and would install a bearing to fit it. That stuff was all built out of parts that were not going to cut it on quality control, so they would sweep them into a big pile and do whatever they had to do to assemble them. Problem was, the dealers were smart enough to see you just couldn't build engines that cheap and they started looking into them. It sure provided a lot of business for us.


I believe the target master and replacement engines are all assembled in Mexico now. I wonder what quality controls they have?? Probably just enough to get the engine past the warranty period, which that in itself has so many disclaimers that it might as well not have an expressed warranty.
 
This is starting to get me worried.
I bought a 350 GM crate engine from GM years ago
Its the 350 HO they offered for rods and mild race application. As I said it came from GM not some secondary manufacturer.
The dyno sheet supplied with it showed 357 BHP.
So my question is...
Is this just a 'put it together and wait for the bang' engine or did GM make their own at that time (20 plus years ago) Their claim was they uses all the past experience from the factory race division to put together a reliable and powerful product. It was even featured in the US mags
All the paperwork was GM. Including the spec sheet.

tried to upload a pic here but it failed

Bet Mike knows....

Gerry

Put it in and bolt it up....should be fine....As long as you got all your paperwork and all, you'd be good should something happen.
The quality of motors isn't really too bad....if the quality of the folks putting it together.

Get a high performance 427 vette motor, have old bubba jones put it together and put it in a 57' chevy....
Now, get that SAME 427 vette motor, have Keith Black or Ed Pink put it together and put it in a 57' chevy....theres probably gonna be a track record in the bag.........
 

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