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In my ''t'' bucket I have A 305 chev-vy motor, bored 30 over with a R. V. cam,and headers. It has a Holley,list # 8004 ,model 4160 ,600cfm carb, manual choke. That is pretty well worn out and leaks gas bad.I'am thinking of replacing with the same type carb. What are other people using on there small blocks??????
 
In my ''t'' bucket I have A 305 chev-vy motor, bored 30 over with a R. V. cam,and headers. It has a Holley,list # 8004 ,model 4160 ,600cfm carb, manual choke. That is pretty well worn out and leaks gas bad.I'am thinking of replacing with the same type carb. What are other people using on there small blocks??????

I have a few Edelbrock 1406 carbs... Very simple to work on and they didnt need any tuning for my mild-ish sbc's. The 1406 is 600cfm.


 
I think any type of carb beside Holley, would work better on the street, all the guys that had a Holley told me that they had no memory, from one Day to the next... Great for balls out drag racing, but street driving they were too fussy... :)
 
Admittedly, I don't much about carbs. Now having said that, I confess I've passed myself off as a Holley Expert only because I have a hammer and a fire extinguisher.

We have real cowboys up here. They want to jump in that truck and.... ranch.

So, if Holley's are in need of some sort of regular magic wand tuning, why are Ford (same as Holley?) carbs forgiving? Ford people don't want to be bothered wih any ritural duties or ceremonies' tuning a carb..... like many of them would know how .... or better yet... why.

Why are Hollies not the carb for the street?
 
Carburetors are all personal choice as far as I'm concerned. Carters/Webers/Edelbrocks are no more worry free than Holleys or DCOE Webers are finicky. They all need constant attention ONLY if you want either OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE or you WANT to constantly fiddle with the darn things. Why in the world would a manufacturer create a carb that required constant changing of jets or needles? If the throttle shafts are not leaking then just put a rebuild kit in it and be down the road. Or take it to a qualified professional and have the carb dyno tuned to cover ALL phases of operation including tip in. And you might as well get the ignition straightened out because you know 90% OF CARB PROBLEMS ARE IN THE IGNITION SYSTEM !!!!!

John
 
Carburetors are all personal choice as far as I'm concerned. Carters/Webers/Edelbrocks are no more worry free than Holleys or DCOE Webers are finicky. They all need constant attention ONLY if you want either OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE or you WANT to constantly fiddle with the darn things. Why in the world would a manufacturer create a carb that required constant changing of jets or needles? If the throttle shafts are not leaking then just put a rebuild kit in it and be down the road. Or take it to a qualified professional and have the carb dyno tuned to cover ALL phases of operation including tip in. And you might as well get the ignition straightened out because you know 90% OF CARB PROBLEMS ARE IN THE IGNITION SYSTEM !!!!!

John

I found the Holley I used on my Nova has throttle shaft [problems in less than 9 months of running from new. We also had a set of DCOEs on a T and they really did need constant attention.
BTY John. What does Bump mean on the thread on that other place.
Gerry
 
In my ''t'' bucket I have A 305 chev-vy motor, bored 30 over with a R. V. cam,and headers. It has a Holley,list # 8004 ,model 4160 ,600cfm carb, manual choke. That is pretty well worn out and leaks gas bad.I'am thinking of replacing with the same type carb. What are other people using on there small blocks??????
edelbrock for me . i hate holleys
 
Admittedly, I don't much about carbs. Now having said that, I confess I've passed myself off as a Holley Expert only because I have a hammer and a fire extinguisher.

We have real cowboys up here. They want to jump in that truck and.... ranch.

So, if Holley's are in need of some sort of regular magic wand tuning, why are Ford (same as Holley?) carbs forgiving? Ford people don't want to be bothered wih any ritural duties or ceremonies' tuning a carb..... like many of them would know how .... or better yet... why.

Why are Hollies not the carb for the street?

I'm no Holley expert either, as I haven't owned one since the one I threw in the Rogue River in the 60s. I believe the problem in using them on the street is mostly due to the way the float bowls are mounted with a vertical gasket, which is always under fuel, and often leak when they dry out. also the power valves tend to go bad and dump fuel. The Ford Holleys are a different design totally.
I love the BG carb on my Fiero, and have also had good luck with the small (600) Edelbrock, but many I know have had issues with the larger Edelbrock for higher HP applications.

02,
Russ
 
Holleys are a pain in the ass allways have been always will be .My neighbor has a new streetavenger you can tell by the gas stain on the driveway. Every rename of an old design has been to fix a problem, Demon, Street avenger, and so on. Float design powervalves and the list goes on . The old afb and avs carter design are the best choice set um forget um a good filter and a kit every other year or so . Thats why you see them on 80 percent of all aftermarket applications.If your someone who like to tinker with something all the time rather that drive it get a Holley.JMHO
 
For the street the best luck I've had is the Carter AFB, the little edelbrocks, and the old Q-jet. The old Q-jet is ugly but it will give you a little better gas mileage.
 
I really don't understand all the carb bashing [especially it seems holley]. I have 2 holley 450's on my tunnel ram , after a bit of "dialing in" they have run pretty much flawlessly for 30k miles [9 years] without much fuss. My feeling is if ANY carb is set up correctly , you shouldn't have much problem w/ it. just my $.02 worth.


dave
 
I had a Carter 625 on a Camaro and it worked great. Put a kit in every couple of years and it kept on ticking. Does Carter still make carbs?
 
For the street the best luck I've had is the Carter AFB, the little edelbrocks, and the old Q-jet. The old Q-jet is ugly but it will give you a little better gas mileage.


Yes in deed! I like the Q-Jets....I've put more than just a few on top of a 6-71 and 8-71. Good, simple very tunable carb, very under-rated in my opinion.
The Holleys are very dependent on atmospheric conditions and humidity. Thats why at the tracks you see folks with their weather stations hanging out there....before the races so they can tune accordingly....
 
What does Bump mean on the thread on that other place.
In most instances, when you see a post that says "Bump" on a forum, the original poster feels the topic has gone ignored and he's trying to "bump" the topic back to the top of the stack. There are times when the original poster will use the more cryptic "BTTT", meaning Bump To The Top.

I always have to laugh when people start knocking one carb or another. I always did all the carb work at the shop and I've had more of them apart than I can begin to remember. Not a single one of them had a brain and were capable of thinking on their own. All a carburetor ever does is what we allegedly-intelligent humans set it up to do.

The biggest complaints about Holleys were addressed several years back. Yes, Holleys do have gaskets below the fuel level in the float bowls. And yes, those early cork gasket were notorious for drying out and leaking. Riddle me this - when was the last time you went to a parts store and ended up with a cork gasket for a Holley?

Yes, Holleys do have a vulnerability in those people who cannot properly adjust valves, adjust chokes and set ignition timing can wipe out the diaphragm in the power valve/s. I'll wager a full 75% of the time people would bring a Holley to me with the complaint it wouldn't idle smoothly, the choke blade was either missing or wired open. But since Holley finally caught onto the the trick of putting a check ball in the power valve vacuum passage, those complaints have diminished by a great number.

Another great Holley tuning trick is spraying carb cleaner into the idle and high speed air bleeds, followed by the installation of a CLEAN air filter. Imagine that, actually trying to keep a carb clean. What a novel concept.

S.M., we got to the point where we rarely ever touched the main jets in the carbs on the race car. If we were going to run at altitude, I might take a number out of the carbs, but for the biggest part, they never got changed. We might tweak on the air bleeds from time to time, but that was it. I've seen guys lose the handle on carb tuning so far, they would have lean carbs making the plugs look like the carbs were fat and vice versa. They would get one so lean the cylinders weren't seeing enough fuel to support combustion and the plugs would come out wet. Or they would get one so fat, the primary tubes would be glowing. We could always accomplish what we were trying to do by taking a half-degree of timing out, or sticking an additional half-degree in.

Russ, the Barry Grant carbs are Holleys by any other name. The only reason the float bowls look a bit different is to forestall any more lawsuits from Holley. The early BG carbs looked a wee bit too close for comfort and the crowd in Bowling Green screamed, "Foul!" All the same parts, working in all the same places as a Holley. With all the negativity surrounding BG these days, I don't know how comfortable I would be in buying one of their carbs. Actually, the last I knew, it was nigh on impossible to buy any of their products.

Johnny, I'm not sure where Carter is in the conglomerate mess we know as Federal Mogul. (Anyone remember the year Federal Mogul and Holley were Hell-bent to own the entire sped industry? They've both been on the brink of financial disaster ever since.) When the Carter AFB was so popular with the OEMs, Carter couldn't keep up with the orders, so they brought Weber into the mix. Who knows how many AFBs were actually manufactured by Weber? When Edelbrock decided to get into the carb market, he contracted Weber to produce the AFBs for his line. So, if you need to replace your Carter carb, think Edelbrock and you'll be in business. Hopefully with Vic's ego out of the way, Edelbrock's new owners can turn that ship around, before it ends up going the way of Crane Cams.

I can't even count the number of QuadraJets that came to me with the complaint of being hard-starting. When I had them apart, I would cover the secondary metering well welch plugs with epoxy and put them under a heat lamp to cure. Those carbs never came back with the same complaint, ever again.

If you're going to do carburetor work, about all that is necessary is to be a bit smarter than the carb. And like I said earlier, I'm yet to see one with a brain.

If you ask me, the fellows that are already using electronic fuel injection are the smart cookies in the jar. Cruise through the parking lot of a local shopping mall and count all the vehicles there that are still equipped with a carburetor. Then again, people gripe and moan about the infinite-tuning options of Holley carbs, so being able to electronically tailor the fuel flow to an engine will likely upset them just as much. :rolleyes:
 
The biggest complaints about Holleys were addressed several years back. Yes, Holleys do have gaskets below the fuel level in the float bowls. And yes, those early cork gasket were notorious for drying out and leaking. Riddle me this - when was the last time you went to a parts store and ended up with a cork gasket for a Holley?
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If you ask me, the fellows that are already using electronic fuel injection are the smart cookies in the jar. Cruise through the parking lot of a local shopping mall and count all the vehicles there that are still equipped with a carburetor. Then again, people gripe and moan about the infinite-tuning options of Holley carbs, so being able to electronically tailor the fuel flow to an engine will likely upset them just as much. :rolleyes:

I bow to your much more current knowledge. as I said, I haven't used a Holley since the 60s... isn't it funny how bad experiences tend to stick in ones mind forever, and influence our decissions? perhaps the BG carb forced Holley to take a better look at it's problems?? I still like my BG however :rolleyes:
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I also like my EFI system better than any carb.:whisper:

Russ
 
In most instances, when you see a post that says "Bump" on a forum, the original poster feels the topic has gone ignored and he's trying to "bump" the topic back to the top of the stack. There are times when the original poster will use the more cryptic "BTTT", meaning Bump To The Top.

I always have to laugh when people start knocking one carb or another. I always did all the carb work at the shop and I've had more of them apart than I can begin to remember. Not a single one of them had a brain and were capable of thinking on their own. All a carburetor ever does is what we allegedly-intelligent humans set it up to do.

The biggest complaints about Holleys were addressed several years back. Yes, Holleys do have gaskets below the fuel level in the float bowls. And yes, those early cork gasket were notorious for drying out and leaking. Riddle me this - when was the last time you went to a parts store and ended up with a cork gasket for a Holley?

Yes, Holleys do have a vulnerability in those people who cannot properly adjust valves, adjust chokes and set ignition timing can wipe out the diaphragm in the power valve/s. I'll wager a full 75% of the time people would bring a Holley to me with the complaint it wouldn't idle smoothly, the choke blade was either missing or wired open. But since Holley finally caught onto the the trick of putting a check ball in the power valve vacuum passage, those complaints have diminished by a great number.

Another great Holley tuning trick is spraying carb cleaner into the idle and high speed air bleeds, followed by the installation of a CLEAN air filter. Imagine that, actually trying to keep a carb clean. What a novel concept.

S.M., we got to the point where we rarely ever touched the main jets in the carbs on the race car. If we were going to run at altitude, I might take a number out of the carbs, but for the biggest part, they never got changed. We might tweak on the air bleeds from time to time, but that was it. I've seen guys lose the handle on carb tuning so far, they would have lean carbs making the plugs look like the carbs were fat and vice versa. They would get one so lean the cylinders weren't seeing enough fuel to support combustion and the plugs would come out wet. Or they would get one so fat, the primary tubes would be glowing. We could always accomplish what we were trying to do by taking a half-degree of timing out, or sticking an additional half-degree in.

Russ, the Barry Grant carbs are Holleys by any other name. The only reason the float bowls look a bit different is to forestall any more lawsuits from Holley. The early BG carbs looked a wee bit too close for comfort and the crowd in Bowling Green screamed, "Foul!" All the same parts, working in all the same places as a Holley. With all the negativity surrounding BG these days, I don't know how comfortable I would be in buying one of their carbs. Actually, the last I knew, it was nigh on impossible to buy any of their products.

Johnny, I'm not sure where Carter is in the conglomerate mess we know as Federal Mogul. (Anyone remember the year Federal Mogul and Holley were Hell-bent to own the entire sped industry? They've both been on the brink of financial disaster ever since.) When the Carter AFB was so popular with the OEMs, Carter couldn't keep up with the orders, so they brought Weber into the mix. Who knows how many AFBs were actually manufactured by Weber? When Edelbrock decided to get into the carb market, he contracted Weber to produce the AFBs for his line. So, if you need to replace your Carter carb, think Edelbrock and you'll be in business. Hopefully with Vic's ego out of the way, Edelbrock's new owners can turn that ship around, before it ends up going the way of Crane Cams.

I can't even count the number of QuadraJets that came to me with the complaint of being hard-starting. When I had them apart, I would cover the secondary metering well welch plugs with epoxy and put them under a heat lamp to cure. Those carbs never came back with the same complaint, ever again.

If you're going to do carburetor work, about all that is necessary is to be a bit smarter than the carb. And like I said earlier, I'm yet to see one with a brain.

If you ask me, the fellows that are already using electronic fuel injection are the smart cookies in the jar. Cruise through the parking lot of a local shopping mall and count all the vehicles there that are still equipped with a carburetor. Then again, people gripe and moan about the infinite-tuning options of Holley carbs, so being able to electronically tailor the fuel flow to an engine will likely upset them just as much. :rolleyes:

Didn't want to come right out and say it , but paragraph#2 x2


dave
 
Well for my 305 i called at Barry Grant and they told me to use a Demon jr. 525cfm. And actually its fantastic and they are cheap and good looking.
 
Same here for Mikes' paragraph 2 in the above. Double for street carbs. With street carbs you find a happy balance and leave em alone. If something changes then something has clogged or there has been a fuel feed problem.

The engine remains the same. All of a sudden the carb starts to "think" it wants something different after miles of trouble free running ? There are other problems to contend with. Like ignition.

John
 
Hi Gerry. Mike is right, "Bump" or BTTT both get the subject back into play if it has a tendency to get lost in a traffic rich environment. Also, you probably might not remember what was in constant need of attention with those Webers on that T but if you could remember I'd like to know. Its not like England is anything but sunny and dry :rofl: .

John
 

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