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Buying your way into the 500

Mike

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One can only wonder what Foyt's reaction would have been, had he ever learned a car owner sold his Indy 500 ride out from under him. Having never been a fan of Foyt's, I find myself disliking him even more today. What a pity Bob Higman ever gave him the time of day, much less a place to live and a midget to drive.

As for Michael Andretti, shame on him for diminishing the spirit of the Speedway, by offering to buy a driver into the qualified field. A few days back, we were talking about the days of "run what you brung and hope you brung enough". In Andretti's case, apparently he can just leave his cars in the shop and bring his checkbook to the track. This year's Bump Day was one of the first in a long time to actually have a bit of drama, yet Andretti found a way to change all that.

And people wonder why IndyCar can't seem to attract the fans it once did? :puke:

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I just got back from lunch at the Penn Station downtown Indy. Marco Andretti and one of his crew sat down at the booth next to us. Wow! He's either is super confident about his chances in the 500 this year, or he just really has a massive ego (:hmmm: you can decide which). Either way, he's driving a super-sweet tricked out and blacked-out Porsche Cayenne. Must be nice.
 
It's amazing to see how times have changed. I've an aunt that lives just 2 blocks west of the track, in Speedway. Her mother-in-law had a fairly large, older home and rented cots to drivers and teams during the month of May. Some teams would rent a cot for the driver and everyone else slept on the floor. They didn't care, they were at Indy.

Today? Can you imagine any of the drivers sleeping on a cot. Or a team engineer sleeping on the floor? Aye. Right.

Remember when names like Gurney, Hurtubise, Johncock, Jones, Bettenhausen, Unser, Parsons, Kenyon, Dallenbach and Ruby were part of the daily conversation during the month of May? Without peeking, name the last three drivers to win the 500.

The Split did a fair job of trying to kill the mystique of the 500, back in 1979. CART accomplished one thing - dilution. Dilution of the drivers, dilution of the spectators and dilution of the available money. And then Boy George stepped up to the plate in 1994 with the IRL. Remember 1996 debacle, when the top 25 spots in the field were reserved for the top 25 IRL points holders? Then in 1997, the prat developed his own cars, which were different from the CART cars, pretty much making sure there were never going to be any more crossovers. At least until the cash-laden Ganassi team returned in 200, prompting Penske and Andretti/Green to return. Now we have IndyCar, but it's no longer about the team that could survive the month of May and come out drinking the milk, it's all about dollars.

I suppose I shouldn't gripe, because it's the same in nearly all forms of motorsports, but I can still clearly remember the days I was glued to the radio, if I wasn't able to be at the Speedway. I listened to a bit of last year's race and that was the first time in over a decade. No real need to listen again this year, I'm sure Andretti will find a way to buy one of his drivers into the winner's circle. (And yes, we have to listen to the race here in Tippecanoe County.)
 
Racing is just a game played with money anymore !
 
Even when Indy racing was my bread and butter (I was a maintenance electrician for 8-1/2 years at the Firestone plant in Akron, Ohio, that built all the tires) I still didn't watch the races. You're absolutely right, Putz, racing has become nothing but a big-money game. It was a lot more interesting when the spirit of innovation was alive in racing and everybody wasn't driving the same car with the same engine (and the same tires), the "little guys" could still afford to be competitive, and there was competition between manufacturers that spawned advances in racing technology. Nowadays, all you need is several million dollars to buy cars, mechanics, drivers, etc. Personally, I liked it better the old way. -Kevin
 
I agree with all of you , but watching a show last night on the 1970's 500's I was reminded on how deadly is used to be too. Remember the 1973 500?

Unfortunately, I was not born early enough to get to a "real Indy 500" or live in the days of the barnstorming funny cars. I'll just have to live within going to local dirt tracks and drags along with the yearly 500 day in the infield (trying faithfully to live up to the old "snakepit" days :hoist::popcorn:) and a few days at the US Nats.
 
I agree with all of you , but watching a show last night on the 1970's 500's I was reminded on how deadly is used to be too. Remember the 1973 500?

Unfortunately, I was not born early enough to get to a "real Indy 500" or live in the days of the barnstorming funny cars. I'll just have to live within going to local dirt tracks and drags along with the yearly 500 day in the infield (trying faithfully to live up to the old "snakepit" days :hoist::popcorn:) and a few days at the US Nats.

You saying some of us are old.:cry:
 
I agree with all of you , but watching a show last night on the 1970's 500's I was reminded on how deadly is used to be too. Remember the 1973 500?
Ahhh, the race that almost wasn't. Between the rain and the fatal wrecks, we might have been better off if it hadn't taken place.

Things were really out of hand, as they had found a ton of horsepower in the Offy and the cars were actually spinning the tires through the short chutes. The cars were genuinely unsafe, as Art Pollard, salt Walther and Swede Savage proved to us all.

How familiar are you with Speedway, Ben? 16th Street West turns into Cunningham Drive and then Cunningham crosses over Crawfordsville Road at the Speedway Shopping Center. There's an Arby's on the NE corner of that intersection now, but back then, it was a Mobil service station. I worked there in '72 and '73, whilst I was at Lincoln Tech.

I had morning classes and then I would spend the early afternoon at an aunt's house, 2 blocks east of Lynhurst Drive and 2 blocks north of Crawfordsville Road. I would then work the late shift at the station. The night before the race, I went in at 6:00 PM and the plan was to work until 6:00 AM the next day. What a night that was! I ended up emptying the soda machine on the north side of the building, so I could fill it with all the beer everyone was giving me all night. Traffic was so grim the next morning, my relief didn't show up until nearly 8:00. I have another aunt who lives just 2 blocks west of Georgetown and we were all going to get together there to listen to the race. The best I could do in the car was to get to the aunt's house on Allison and then I ended up walking from there.

On Tuesday, I made the mistake of driving 16th Street from the school out to Speedway. My head was in a dark place that day. On Wednesday, I took West Michigan. That night, on the way home from work (I lived on White River Parkway, which was "exciting" :rolleyes:, to say the least), I remember being amazed at all the mud that had been drug out onto 16th Street.

And suddenly, in 1974, wing sizes were reduced, fuel capacity was cut nearly in half and we were learning about pop-off valves, as they tried slowing the cars back down and making them safer.

The scene of Walther's car spraying fuel into the stands was pretty horrific.

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And even more scary was Swede Savage's crash -

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I realize you had a run-in with Foyt and that prolly put the sour taste in your mouth. Being from Houston, AJ was and still is one of my all-time favorite heros. Sure he is rough and tough, but he was one hell of a race car driver. What did he NOT win? Around him it is put up or shut up. His way or the highway. He put Arie Lyendyke in his place. I feel about Mario Andretti the same you feel for AJ. I think he is so overrated its ridiculous. He only won Indy once and the rest of the times something ALWAYS happened. And he was in F1 for a few yeras, big deal. Same with his son Michael. I think they are just a bunch of overrated rich guys with big pockets. You see the clothes, jewelry, hats and sunglasses Michael's wife wears when she is on camera? Talk about High Maintainence!! Granted not much has come out of Foyt Racing for awhile but that don't mean he's not trying. Like alot of other teams have gone to the wayside.

BTW my two sons are named Ryan (for Nolan Ryan) and Anthony Joseph for guess who?
 
I live several miles from the Andretti homestead and met him in 1970 at a Valvoline pr event. A friend of mine did a lot of work for him on his home and away from the lime light he was just one of the boys who dirt tracked at Nazareth's 1/2 mile dirt bull ring. I saw him at Watkins Glen the year he won the World Driving Championship driving for Lotus. I watched the F1's run laps in practice Saturday at lap speeds of 110 in the dry. On Sunday it rained and the speeds dropped to 105. The leader had a "clear vision" and every other driver ran in the rooster tail of the driver in front of him by following a little red tail light which he could barely see in the spray. (Note- there was no brake light, just a tail light) That day convinced me that F1 has the best drivers in the world and to get there, especially on a top team was not a ride that could be bought.

I'm also old enough to remember when Indy needed the month of May because of innovation. Every year, as a fan, you wanted to see who would bring out a technologically superior car that time trialed fast, but would it last? Hot Rod covered the race and the new technology. The race was actually held on Memorial Day and everything else stopped when the race started.

Al
 
How familiar are you with Speedway, Ben? 16th Street West turns into Cunningham Drive and then Cunningham crosses over Crawfordsville Road at the Speedway Shopping Center. There's an Arby's on the NE corner of that intersection now, but back then, it was a Mobil service station. I worked there in '72 and '73, whilst I was at Lincoln Tech.

Mike: I went to High School out west in Avon and currently live just north of the track less than 2 miles as the crow flies. I can hear the cars when they are running. I'm pretty familiar with that area-- I go by it quite often although I have a rule that I don't eat at any Arbys!:puke: I will slide on down to Union Jack's though! :beeer:
 
I guess that I will have to join BT in the Foyt fans camp. My wife, son and I have liked him for a long time. Our daughter has no interest in racing at all. Here is a pic of my son, Geoff, in the Sheraton-Thompson car that Foyt drove to one of his Indy wins. Well, not the exact car as this is a recreation of that car. But it has a bit of a story that makes it more interesting to us. This car is owned by a fellow named Bud Taylor. His brother is Cecil Taylor who was a member of AJ's pit crew for many years. They are a couple of years older than me but we grew up in the same neighborhood, just a couple of blocks apart.

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I realize you had a run-in with Foyt and that prolly put the sour taste in your mouth.
What really soured me on Foyt was his arrogance toward the Granatelli/Jones team at the 1967 awards banquet. He was sure to tell Jones (more than once) that "cheaters never win". I am one of those that appreciated the innovations that the Indy cars once brought to the table. And love it or hate it, the #40 turbine car was nothing, if not innovative. Apparently if you weren't running a twin-cam Ford, a turbocharged Offy or a stock block Ford in the 1967 500, you were a cheater in Foyt's eyes.

Andretti looked pretty smart in qualifying, sitting on the pole at some 2.9 MPH faster than the feared turbine. But everyone was aware Jones qualified with the motor he was going to run on race day and with a full load of fuel, where as everyone else was running a qualifying engine and minimal fuel loads. And we saw what happened when Jones started sixth but was leading the pack coming out of turn two. Like I said, love it or hate it, Andy Granatelli showed what could be done by thinking outside the box.

Foyt drove a smart race that day, he ran as hard as he could to stay as close to Jones as he could. And when the turbine faltered on lap 197 (after leading 171 laps of the race), Foyt was poised to take the win. But one lesson I learned is that losers have to learn to lose with class, just as winners have to learn to win with class. And Foyt demonstrated zero class at the banquet.

We're quite familiar with Foyt in this area, too. Bob Higman took Foyt in and gave him a midget ride, way back in 1957. Foyt helped Bob work his farm through the week and drove Bob's midget on race nights. That farm is just a tick over 4 miles south of where I'm sitting. Bob was a helluva good guy and is sorely missed by all who knew him.

In 1969, Bob was crew chief for the Jigger Sirois Indy 500 team. Sirois drew #1 and went out to qualify on a very cloudy Pole Day morning and was really slow. Bob figured he would take what he could get and try to work on the car to find some more speed if they were bumped out of the field. Bob turned away to grab the stuff he had carried down to turn 4 and while he was doing that, the car owner grabbed the flag and waved off the attempt. Within minutes, the skies opened up and poured, washing out the rest of the day. Had the run been completed, Sirois would have owned the pole at speeds that were just shy of 162 MPH. His time was actually fast enough to have qualified him for the race, but the car owner waved off a second attempt the following weekend and the motor gave up the ghost on their final attempt. Sirois was never able to line up for the 500, in seven attempts.

I will slide on down to Union Jack's though!
Well, that's within spittin' distance! :winkn: I've an uncle who lives on Patricia, just north of 30th, in Eagledale. When I started classes at Lincoln Tech, he had just joined the Speedway Fire Dept. New firefighters were chauffeurs on the trucks, so he had to know the location of all the fire hydrants within the city limits. And since I was pressed into service helping him learn, I grew pretty familiar with Speedway, myself. I nearly moved to Speedway, a couple of times, but it's proximity to Indianapolis always prevented me from pulling the trigger.

The company I am contracted to has offices up at Keystone at the Crossing and they always remind me I can come to the offices to work. Like I want to drive back and forth to Indy every day? Not a chance that's ever going to happen. If you're familiar with the area <shudder>, I lived at what is now known as Park Place at City Center, on North White River Parkway. Back then, there were no metal fences and gates, it was just government-subsidized, low-income housing. Of course the school referred to it as "student" housing and there were *cough, cough* three IU med school nursing students who lived *cough* directly across the hall. But that was where the fun ended, because the place was plain, flat mean. The elevators rarely worked, so my roommate and I would have to take the girls down to their cars and go down to escort them back up again. We were on the 7th floor, so that meant rolling at least three, passed-out drunks out of the way, each direction. And you damn well better be ready to fight your way through, too. A buddy tried to convince me to move over to Woodruff Place, which was junkie haven in the early 70's. Thirty-nine years later, the smell of creosote and stale urine still takes me back to River House Towers. :puke: I suppose if I had lived in a nicer place, my opinion of Indy would be a bit different. But I was working nights to cover tuition and rent, so that was all I could afford.
 
Ben, I hope the storms we got last night remained north of you, else the ground is going to be like a swamp down there. Too bad to hear about the stabbings on Georgetown Road. Authorities say alcohol might have been involved? Gee, Georgetown Road, the night before the race and a stabbing at 3:30 AM? I wonder why they think alcohol may have played a part? :rolleyes:
 
The stabbing really backed things up on 30th st. it took us 3 hrs to get to the North 40 lot and I live 3 miles away. We left at 5:30! It was a fun time anyway :toast:, and while it was hot, the it was overcast and windy so it wasn't too bad. I'm beat!
 
Anyone know if the Indy awards banquet will be televised this year? I looked but couldn't find it on the schedule the past couple of years.
 
Anyone know if the Indy awards banquet will be televised this year? I looked but couldn't find it on the schedule the past couple of years.

If you can get WTHR Indianapolis it is on at 6:30 or here on internet.
At WTHR.com
My link
 

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