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saltgrassdrifter

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I'm getting ready to start my motor. I've got some old headers to use until I have it tuned,So my coated ones won't be turning colors.What temperature should I be reading an inch or so from the header flange.Its a sbc 350, 600 holley, mild cam.Thanks for any info Steve
 
I'm getting ready to start my motor. I've got some old headers to use until I have it tuned,So my coated ones won't be turning colors.What temperature should I be reading an inch or so from the header flange.Its a sbc 350, 600 holley, mild cam.Thanks for any info Steve


Well, since you've got your old headers on, which by the way is a good idea, don't worry about your exhaust temp yet. Get her to fire up and idle first, get the motor broke in and run the cam in, (at least 30 to 45 minutes), on roller motors, about 10, then check to make sure you have no leaks. Get your timing set, making sure your where it needs to be.
If everything is within reason, a sbc + Small Cam + 600 cfm Holley, your not gonna be too hot. Unless someones been jacking around with the jets usually.

But to answer your question, on normal tuning, with regular headers, 550 to 780 , going down the road, under load, air running past the header tubes.There are alot of variables here, so much so, You won't get a accurate reading. You don't raed your temp at the header flange....if your gonna read cylinder temp, its gonna get the hottest, right before the 1st bend....that is wwhere you want to aim your heat gun.

When we run engines in on the dyno, I can tell you within 5 dergrees what your cylinder temp is, cause I have thermo-couples embedded in the header tubes and collectors so I can tune for optimum power. I'm also reading surfacw temps, which is what I gave you....

Use your heat gun to make sure all the cylinders are running the same heat....go by your coolest cylinder and shoot for that. Stainless headers run at a different heat than chrome headers, that run at a diff. heat than ceramic coated, that run at a diff. heat than plain painted. See what I mean?

If your running chrome headers, theres some old school tricks for keeping your pipes from turning blue. There some products you can put on your pipes and in them to keep this sorta thing from happening. Back in the old days with chrome on the steel, we used to get a big gob of grease, coat the inside of the header. In later years, I preheated them in my pizza oven I had in my shop back then, then put the grease into the tube to burn.
Then we'd put just a little more in there, bolt them on the motor and fire her up.

The Grease burnt coating inside the metal pipe would form like a porcelin sleeve inside that tube, keeping it from turning colors and burning out. But eventually, it would still turn blue later on. I started doing header wrap before header wrap was cool. I'd burn't the piss outta myself on a bunch of exhaust systems....and if I had to be around them, I wrapped them. I'd let the customer take the wrapping off if he wanted.

Now days, they've got white wrapping, gray wrapping, all kinds of diff. colors, and you can even get it in titanium.....
 
THE FIRST RUN IN OF THE ENGINE, NEW OR USED IN A T BUCKET OR ROADSTER... THIS IS WHERE I LIKE TO USE AN OLD COMPLETE STOCK EXHAUST SYSTEM, YOU CAN EVEN JUST HANG IT OUT SIDEWAYS, BLOCK IT UP WITH ALL THE STOCK MUFFLERS AND ALL.. THIS WAY THINGS ARE A LOT QUIETER SO YOU CAN NOW HEAR YOUR ENGINE (THIS IS NOT A MOTOR, IT IS AN ENGINE, SORRY) :laugh: ANYWAY, YOU REALLY NEED TO HEAR WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE YOUR ENGINE TO GET IT ALL TIMED CORRECTLY AND ALL THINGS SET PROPERLY... LET RUN LONG ENOUGH TO CHECK YOUR RADIATOR/COOLING SYSTEM ALSO... ONCE YOU ARE SATISFIED THAT THE ENGINE IS RUNNING THE WAY IT SHOULD, NOW YOU CAN SWITCH TO YOUR NEW (LOUDER) HEADER SYSTEM FOR A TEST DRIVE. (THIS PROBABLY WILL CHANGE HOW SHE RUNS, LIKE THE JETTING MAY NOW HAVE TO BE CHANGED IF SHE RUNS HOTTER WITH THE HEADERS... KEEPING A FOOT ON EACH PEDAL, (WHOA AND GO) AND THE BIGGEST THING, KEEP THE SHINNY SIDE UP... :spank:
 
I quote the learned Ted Brown who is correct; "THIS IS NOT A MOTOR, IT IS AN ENGINE, SORRY"

I call'em motors more often than engines. When I was a kid, it was made quite clear to me that the power plants in our cars are engines as in internal combustion engines and motors are the electircally power things that are in everything from guppy bubblers to space shuttle nozzle gimbal actuators.

However.......... Did Evenrude and Mercury make outboards engines? I think they were called outborad motors.

And what about the world leader in low performance two wheel vehichles? H-D Engine cycles? No, they're H-D Motor Cycles..... though, I call'em Hardley Developed......

Just put'n on the dog here.
 
I quote the learned Ted Brown who is correct; "THIS IS NOT A MOTOR, IT IS AN ENGINE, SORRY"

I call'em motors more often than engines. When I was a kid, it was made quite clear to me that the power plants in our cars are engines as in internal combustion engines and motors are the electircally power things that are in everything from guppy bubblers to space shuttle nozzle gimbal actuators.

However.......... Did Evenrude and Mercury make outboards engines? I think they were called outborad motors.

And what about the world leader in low performance two wheel vehichles? H-D Engine cycles? No, they're H-D Motor Cycles..... though, I call'em Hardley Developed......

Just put'n on the dog here.



HeeHee....Thats the reason why I do it...I catch 14 different kinds of hell everyday for it....since I,m suppossed to be a 'Engine Builder'....I guess being strange like is part of it.....And I been doing it every since I was about 20.....since my 3rd or 4th Harley 'MOTOR'Cycle....thats where I got the idea....

It really grates on other engine builders nerves when I say that....I tell them I quite happy being a 'Motor' builder.....heehee....

Motor pool, not EnginePool
Motor cycles, not engine cycles
Motor Mite, not Engine Mite
Motor Vehicle Dept., not Engine Vehicle Dept.

I'm just going with the flo and havin' fun.....lifes too serious and short to blowin' a Kanuger Valve....
 
And for the New guys out there doing your first build, Ted has done us proud once agian....yup, that exhaust system, don't have to be permanent for the initional startup. Sometimes You'll find bugs that you've got to modify....and that helps you out by letting you work the kinks out before permanently mounting your exhaust.

Often I find myself starting a racecar in the shop, and 1/2 the shop is running out the side door for a smoke break. I'm hard of hearing, some people say I'm deaf but I never hear those folks...anyway...for things that don't have bonafid zoomies on them, I'll run someflex tubing and some mufflers, though I must say this...

If you've got 550 + horses and you run them thru mufflers, especially the real origional turbo mufflers....things can still get quite loud! Anyway, on headered cars I'll throw on exhaust funnels over the collectors, go thru some flex tubing (BIG, by the way), into my portable muffler stands. I have like 2 wheeled racks with about 4 mufflers welded to each. (One is a set of track mufflers, another is a set of big Smitty's, a set of big turbos, and a big pair of glasspacks). I just wheel them into place and run some flex tubing anf I have the quick connects, I can have a exhaust system in place in about 5 minutes...Anyway, What Ted suggests is great info....
 
Engines and motors, that is the word.. hehe Yes you are all correct, so many times the word motor is used with so many different topics, I have caught myself calling them motors at times, I get mad at myself for calling them motors, but like you say, life is waaaaay tooooo short to worry about the small $h!!t = stuff :) So, I try and live with it, and consider the source, which includes myself... Drive safe and keep the shinny side up...
 

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