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Mike

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It has not gone unnoticed by some members that I am not strictly adhering to one of the forum rules, specifically the one that deals with religious and political posts. It seems there are more than a few of you that have topics other than T-Buckets on your minds, and that you are wanting to talk about those topics. As a result, I have been watching and reading, to see how some of those threads are going.

I am pleased to say that any of the threads that have not been 100% within the guidelines of the rules have moved forward very peacefully. Thus far, it seems everyone is more than capable of participating in some hot-button discussions, without resorting to anger. Which is pretty much what I expected from all of you, to be honest.

But, for those who are not as comfortable with those types of discussions, I have been considering the possibility of a separate forum section, where the forum rules would be relaxed, and discussions of what have long been forbidden topics could be held.

Here's what I am thinking -

We have a separate forum for more open discussions. It is not closed off to anyone, so that all members can participate, if they choose. However, members who prefer not to involve themselves in those types of discussions can simply avoid the forum. In other words, play if you want to play, and avoid it if you do not. The hot topics will be confined to one forum section, so no one's sensibilities will be trampled.

If someone wants to talk about religion, politics, or a firearm, then those types of discussions would be allowed. Within reason. The discussions are not to attack anyone for the things they believe. If you want to make insensitive jokes about any religious faith system, that would be crossing a line. If you want to hammer on someone for owning a room full of guns, that would be crossing a line. However, if you want to ask a question about a religious faith system, then that would be acceptable, as would talking about the room full of guns that you own.

This forum section would not be, nor would it be allowed to become a free-for-all. Everyone would be expected to talk rationally, and without use of vulgarity, or other foul language. This would not be a forum for off-color (Sheesh, is the word 'color' politically-correct, these days?) jokes, or for lewd images.

If a topic starts producing more heat than light, the topic would be shut down. This would not be a place for piques and quarrels, so let's be clear on that. I've no problem with those whose opinions differ from my own. Let's face it, that's why the ice cream shop has all those different flavors. It's OK to disagree with what others have to say, but disagreeing does not mean it has to result in a knock-down, drag-out.

Yes, yes, yes, I already know there will be those of you who will choose not to participate in this proposed, new forum. And please, hear me say that is more than acceptable, and quite alright. No one is asking you to do anything you do not want to do. As I said, this proposed forum section would be just like a store, or a restaurant you do not like. Just avoid it, OK?

The site is going through some flux, same as it always has. We are steadily seeing huge numbers of visitors to the site, but our conversion of visitors to registered members has dropped off by one-third. That is not a good sign. The number of members who log in on a daily basis has also dropped by one-third, which is another bothersome figure. And Stevie Wonder can see our daily post counts are in the dumper. Last Wednesday, we had a grand total of two posts submitted to the forum. Two. We are getting pounded with visitors, but that really adds nothing to the site, itself.

So, my thoughts are if you want to talk about something other than T-Buckets, then let's talk about it. Let's set up a special area for those discussions, so we are not taking anything away from those who could not care less. Make no mistake, I am not going to set up a forum to talk about flashlights, a forum to talk about boats, a forum to talk about nursing care, etc. This is, and will always be the T-Bucket Forums. But if you have something else you would like to talk about, then why not explore where that might lead? For instance, how many of you know I am a former Methodist minister, who has since abandoned Christianity? How many of you know I am a cannabis re-legalization activist? How many of you know I am writing a book? How many of you have seen photos of some of my straight razors?

A lot of us have formed some strong friendships via this forum, and it seems rather silly to prevent friends from talking about their interests.

Anyone else in favor of this concept?
 
Plus one on the Alternate Forum. I get turned off by people pulling up their pants under their arm pits and complaining about the government full time.
 
Yes please!
 
As long as people remain civil I would welcome it. Aside from my bucket I'm also a 1911 fanatic and moderate a forum on Kimbers.
 
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My thoughts !! Start the new thread, I'll be civil==defense.

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I guess I'll be the one naysayer. I think not having this kind of forum and discussions is what made this forum the best T-bucket site. I'm sure its still the best, but for some reason it is in decline. I think that has to do with some aggressive opinions and discussions in last few months. I'm not a fan of where this is headed and believe that adding political and polorizing topics into the mix will turn off many of the folks that are here for t bucket discussions.

With all respect, there are tons of firearm and political forums. Not sure why we want to bring that in a site called "TBucketeers"

@Mike, to be honest, I'm really not interested in what you or others do outside this forum. Beyond a little light chitchat about weather and family, this forum should be about T-buckets and related discussions if you are asking my opinion. Regardless, if I'm probably only one that feel this way, do what you feel you want to do with YOUR forum and don't worry if it turns folks off or not. As for me, if politics and guns start infiltrating the forum, I'll just quietly slip on out the back door.
 
I side w Ben on this , its a tbucket site ,AFA the decline Im guessing that with many of us getting older not a lot of new builds are being started , also the reception of some new members has been a bit less than cordial , a its my way or the highway attitude. Part of this I attribute to a few having to answer the same questions over and over. With the time that has passed and all the answers that have been given , we may have outlived our own usefulness ???
Dave
 
Sooooooo when will we see this?
It is still not a case of 'when', as I am still investigating the possibility of 'if'. Patience, Grasshopper, you must have patience. ;)

Before we go any further, let's get one concept out in the open. Omelets cannot be made, without breaking some eggs. And, at no time, since October 2006, have I ever dreamed/imagined/pretended that I can please everyone with this site. I have no intention of even attempting to make everyone happy. I spent enough of my life in sales to know there are always going to be those people I cannot please, so I don't waste any time even trying.

Ben, there is no harm in being a nay-sayer. I've generally found nay-sayers are the ones who can be most honest with what they say. People who are happy and content don't bother with talking about it, they just get on with being happy and content. And yes, I've taken on what you had to say. I think you are missing the concept of more open discussions being confined to one forum section, where those who do not participate can simply choose not to visit.

The thread is open, everyone. I want to hear your thoughts.
 
It makes no difference to me one way or the other. I read what I am interested in reading. Kinda like the newpaper, when I used to read them. I skipped what I wasn't wanting to read. I come here to learn, and hopefully share some information. Guns, politics, what the kids are doing, hows granny stuff, may or may not attract my attention, but maybe it will to someone. It surely won't bother me to see a subject about oil painting, I will simply skip it, maybe, maybe not. Not big deal to me, I go with the flow.
Lee
 
Mike, I expressed my feelings to you in a PM and I'm in full agreement with Ben. He has been and still is an asset to this forum with his knowledge. To chance loosing him and others like him would be a detriment to this forum. There are PLENTY of other forums that deal with the type of conversations that have crept into this otherwise great forum. As stated in rule "p" of the rules and regulations of this forum, these conversations are NOT allowed. There is another forum on T buckets that I used to belong to that allowed this sort of thing and I dropped out of that forum quite a while ago.

Jim
 
This brings up an interesting situation. Does the slow down indicate people are just tired of the same ol' same ol' or are Ts going thru a period of natural ebb & flow. Are the prices becoming too exorbitant, thus people loose interest ? For the price of a eighth of an oz. of dope and a suitable game station people can be entertained for a couple of days. Short term entertainment-long term boredom and laziness.
America is going thru a period of false resurgence, where unemployment figures are artificially low, actual available jobs are are drying up (the classic factory driven jobs are gone), real stability as far as a garage to work in are nil (do you figure garage rent into the build prices? 200.00, 300.00, 500.00 per month, or more, Do you figure in the home mortgage into builds? Affording a home is becoming less and less of a possibility in certain areas and economic classes), used parts prices are up (go to a pic-a-part and see what they are now), where will you be in a year ( let alone 5 years).
There is a loss of stability here as never before. Change is quick and constant.
Everything is on the credit card. People are paying the piper now. No money for toys.

More later, John
 
A fish rots from the head down.
 
Well, then let's steer this conversation in another direction.

I operate several Web sites. Not for fun, not for 'warm fuzzies', and not for the satisfaction of giving people a place to read and talk about their passions. I operate those sites, along with this one, as advertising revenue streams. And ladies, when it comes to revenue, this one sucks. This one creates more headaches, than all the other sites, combined, yet it has always been the lowest-earning site in the portfolio. If you own several businesses, and one creates the lion's share of the hassles in your life, yet consistently fails to produce any realistic revenue, how do you handle it?

Seriously, I am asking you to tell me.

I've suggested, on two, different occasions, the possibility of adding some forum sections here, to allow discussion of other streetrods. On both occasions, you would have thought I was demanding self-castration and the sacrifice of first-born children. "Ack, NO WAY, because this is a T-BUCKET forum." OK, if that is the case, then where is the T-Bucket discussion? Because this is a T-Bucket discussion forum, and discussion is just not happening. But, by the gods, we'll not have discussion on anything but T-Buckets.

Now, when I point out there are members of this site who are most certainly interested in conversation on topics other than T-Buckets, it's like a handful of you think all of the current forum sections are going to disappear, to be replaced by forum sections on guns and religion. God bless narrow-visioned shortsightedness.

@EX JUNK, I make it a hard and fast rule to never quote the content of private communications, but I will paraphrase your personal conversation of 6:44 PM, Saturday, 11 July 2015, where you said you thought trying a relaxed rules forum would be a great idea, if that would jump-start the forum. Actually, you even went so far as to capitalize the word 'great', so I am really left questioning your true opinion of the idea. Saying one thing in private, and a second in public seems more than a little contradictory. Maybe it's just me, I don't know. Yes, believe it or not, I am fully aware of what the rules have to say, as I am the one who wrote those rules. What I am trying to tell everyone is that if we do not make some changes to this site, then we're just going to watch it wither and die.

I don't care who it is, please do not make the mistake of thinking that thinly-veiled hints to abandon this site are going to have any effect on me, particularly at this late date. If someone doesn't care for the climate, then, by all means, go somewhere you can be more comfortable. If you do not enjoy this site, I do not want you here. At no time, ever, did anyone hold a gun to your heads, forcing you to come here, forcing you to register, forcing you to read anything, forcing you to post anything, or forcing you to ever come back. Do I want to see any of you leave? No, I do not. But you're not going to hold me hostage, here, aye? Making the mistake of thinking you can is going to lead to my escorting you to the door, so don't make threats until you've balls enough to back them up. Lesson Number One is that people come and people go. We've had six new registrations in the last three days, so if five or six people need to take leave, then we're holding the line, aren't we? Which means you can scroll to the top of the page, hover your mouse pointer over your username, and select Log Out, and don't bother darkening our doorstep again.

See how easy that is? And I'm already over it. How about you?

Instead of offering alternative suggestions that might help us get moving forward again, it seems people want to keep pointing out there are already forums established for the discussion of topics of politics, religion, firearms, etc. And from where I sit, I'm thinking it's time for me to test those waters. Because I am tired of wasting my own time and my own money, trying to polish this turd. Back in 2011, when Invision's lousy software was killing off every forum site I owned, I sacrificed two, other, active sites by focusing all of my energy on this one. But being the pack rat I am, I still have those domain names registered, so maybe it is time to kick this sad sack to the curb, and start expending my energy on getting Patriot Alert dot com back up and running. See, it really makes no difference to me where the income is made. I can do it on religious sites, I can do it on computer sites, I can do it on patriot sites, and none of that matters, so long as the income is flowing. I cannot, however, do it on this site, so the glaringly obvious question is - why bother?

On 3 August, the annual license for the XenForo software expires, which means I will not be able to download future releases. At present, I do not see the worth of spending the 40 dollars to renew it. After getting it broken off inside me to the tune of $155, in May, we had a donation frenzy in June. And just so everyone knows, I explained to a concerned forum member that I do not put donation money in my pocket. Never have, and never will. So when we had that $155 deficit, I ate that mamma-jamma. Not you. When people kept donating beyond the quota, last month, I didn't bother with a quota for this month, as we have money in reserve. No, I didn't take my lost buck-fifty-five out of that reserve, I just used more Preparation H. We have enough funds on hand to see us through the second week of October. So, how does this sound, for an alternative? Let's all sit here, twiddling our thumbs, until October, and then, let's all go find something else to do with our time. Is that a workable solution? I'm just throwing things at the wall, to see if anything actually sticks.

If you do not like what is being suggested, then make some suggestions of your own. I am trying to find ways to salvage this place, and it seems my options are pretty limited, so give me some ideas. If you're idea of a suggestion is to leave this site, allow me to wish you blue skies and smooth roads before you depart.

Anyone interested in seeing a conservative-minded, current events forum spring back to life? If you are, I'll get busy with renewing the software licenses for Patriot Alert, and then you will have a site where you can discuss hot-button topics, with the same level playing field you've always enjoyed here. And yes, this is a serious question.
 
Mike- I'm not against a forum about what you are discussing, I'd just prefer that it not be within the frame of this one. This is solely my opinion. Yes, I realize that if it is in a separate forum section I dont have to read it. I'm a member to only a few forums and one in particular had a mass exodus when several folks got their panties in a wad in the "off topic" forum section that was primarily about politics. They finally modified the forum section so you had to "join" this forum and then you could see it- I think it was technically moved off site to another server, but not sure.

Listen, I'm not stomping my feet yelling like a two-year old. You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you honestly. I'm not "threatening" anything, just saying that when other topics are more prominent in this forum, then I probably don't need to spend my time here. Like you said, people come, people go. No big deal.

Hot Rods are one of my releases in life- I enjoy building and conversing about them. I get plenty of politics and other bullshit during the rest of my day. I like this site being true to what it is.

With that said, I'll say again, YOU own and run this forum and if you need or want to change it for financial or personal reasons then do so and don't worry what I think or any of the other chuckle-heads on this forum think. You can't please everyone- do what pleases you.
 
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