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Todd Honeycutt

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been to the dmv twice my insurance co 3 times and the inspector has been to the house today and cant tell me exactly how the car is to be registered . gonna get back to me on that . then I need to have three diff forms filled out and notorized. 2 estimates for the car then take the higher of the 2 and get indemnity insurance for one and a half times the value then take all this back to the dmv. ive had the car a month now and cant drive it. Is anyone elsedealing with this in North Carolina. im ready to set the car on fire and watch it burn. all the fun I planned to have driving the car has been replaced with a nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I feel for ya. I went through about the same thing with my roadster. I had a out of state bill of sale, but my state don't recognize them. I finally went to court and got a court order for a title. A $250.00 hassle, but after 3 months, it was worth it. With the court order, I had my tag and title in 2 days.
Lee
 
You are not alone. This is so common with home built cars and guys often build without thought of how they will register them until they are finished. This is why many will buy a project if it has a title instead of starting from scratch. Here in NY, you can register a scratch built car but you have to have receipts for EVERYTHING that you install on the car and jump through many hoops and fill out endless forms to get it done. Good luck and keep us posted...
 
I have an out of state bill of sale and a valid Louisiana title and the car is registered in Louisiana thru 7-15-15. I bought the car completed!!!!!!!!!
 
You should just be able to transfer the title to a nc title. That's how it works here. As long as its valid, its a breeze. That sucks, I can't understand why they would give you a hard time...it should be the same as any other car bought out of state.
 
Try this when you go back to DMV.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2009
SESSION LAW 2009-405
SENATE BILL 820
*S820-v-6*
AN ACT TO CREATE NEW MOTOR VEHICLE TITLING AND REGISTRATION
CATEGORIES FOR MOTOR VEHICLES CLASSIFIED AS REPLICA VEHICLES,
STREET RODS, AND CUSTOM VEHICLES, AND TO MAKE CORRESPONDING
CHANGES.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:
SECTION 1. G.S. 20-4.01(43) reads as rewritten:
"(43) Specially Constructed Vehicles. – Vehicles of a type required to be
registered hereunder not originally constructed under a distinctive name,
make, model, or type by a generally recognized manufacturer of vehicles
and not materially altered from their original construction.Motor vehicles
required to be registered under this Chapter and that fit within one of the
following categories:
a. Replica vehicle. – A vehicle, excluding motorcycles, that when
assembled replicates an earlier year, make, and model vehicle.
b. Street rod vehicle. – A vehicle, excluding motorcycles, manufactured
prior to 1949 that has been materially altered or has a body
constructed from nonoriginal materials.
c. Custom-built vehicle. – A vehicle, including motorcycles,
reconstructed or assembled by a nonmanufacturer from new or used
parts that has an exterior that does not replicate or resemble any other
manufactured vehicle. This category also includes any motorcycle
that was originally sold unassembled and manufactured from a kit or
that has been materially altered or that has a body constructed from
nonoriginal materials."
SECTION 2. Part 3 of Article 3 of Chapter 20 of the General Statutes is amended
by adding a new section to read:
"§ 20-53.1. Specially constructed vehicle certificate of title and registration.
(a) Specially constructed vehicles shall be titled in the following manner:
(1) Replica vehicles shall be titled as the year, make, and model of the vehicle
intended to be replicated. A label of "Replica" shall be applied to the title
and registration card. All replica vehicle titles shall be labeled "Specially
Constructed Vehicle."
(2) The model year of a street rod vehicle shall continue to be recognized as the
manufacturer's assigned model year. The manufacturer's name shall continue
to be used as the make with a label of "Street Rod" applied to the title and
registration card. All street rod vehicle titles shall be labeled "Specially
Constructed Vehicle."
(3) Custom-built vehicles shall be titled and registered showing the make as
"Custom-built," and the year the vehicle was built shall be the vehicle model
year. All custom-built vehicle titles shall be labeled "Specially Constructed
Vehicle."
(b) Inoperable vehicles may be titled, but no registration may be issued until such time
as the License and Theft Bureau inspects the vehicle to ensure it is substantially assembled.
Once a vehicle has been verified as substantially assembled pursuant to an inspection by the
License and Theft Bureau, the Commissioner shall title the vehicle by classifying it in the
proper category and collecting all highway use taxes applicable to the value of the car at the
time the vehicle is retitled to a proper classification, as described in this section.
Page 2 Session Law 2009-405 SL2009-0405
(c) Motor vehicle certificates of title and registration cards issued pursuant to this
section shall be labeled in accordance with this section. As used in this section, "labeled" means
that the title and registration card shall contain a designation that discloses if the vehicle is
classified as any of the following:
(1) Specially constructed vehicle.
(2) Inoperable vehicle."
SECTION 3. G.S. 20-70 is amended by adding a new subsection to read:
"(c) The notification and registration requirements contained in subsections (a) and (b)
of this section regarding an engine change shall be required only if the motor vehicle into
which a new engine is installed uses an engine number as the sole means to identify the
vehicle."
SECTION 4. G.S. 20-4.01 is amended by adding a new subdivision to read:
"(15a) Inoperable Vehicle. – A motor vehicle that is substantially disassembled and
for this reason is mechanically unfit or unsafe to be operated or moved upon
a public street, highway, or public vehicular area."
SECTION 5. G.S. 20-53 reads as rewritten:
"§ 20-53. Application for specially constructed, reconstructed, or foreign vehicle.
(a) In the event the vehicle to be registered is a specially constructed, reconstructed, or
foreign vehicle, such fact shall be stated in the application, and with reference to every foreign
vehicle which has been registered outside of this State, the owner shall surrender to the
Division all registration cards and cards, certificates of title or notarized copies of original titles
on vehicles 35 model years old and older, or other evidence of such foreign registration as may
be in his possession or under his control, except as provided in subsection (b) hereof. After
initial review, the Division shall return to the owner any original titles presented on vehicles 35
model years old and older appropriately marked indicating that the title has been previously
submitted.
(b) Where, in the course of interstate operation of a vehicle registered in another state, it
is desirable to retain registration of said vehicle in such other state, such applicant need not
surrender, but shall submit for inspection said evidence of such foreign registration, and the
Division in its discretion, and upon a proper showing, shall register said vehicle in this State but
shall not issue a certificate of title for such vehicle.
(c), (d) Repealed by Session Laws 1965, c. 734, s. 2.
(e) No title shall be issued to an initial applicant for (i) out-of-state vehicles that are 35
model years old or older or (ii) a specially constructed vehicle prior to the completion of a
vehicle verification conducted by the License and Theft Bureau of the Division of Motor
Vehicles. These verifications shall be conducted as soon as practical. For an out-of-state
vehicle that is 35 model years old or older, this inspection shall consist of verifying the public
vehicle identification number to ensure that it matches the vehicle and ownership documents.
No covert vehicle identification numbers are to be examined on an out-of-state vehicle 35
model years or older unless the inspector develops probable cause to believe that the ownership
documents or public vehicle identification number presented does not match the vehicle being
examined. However, upon such application and the submission of any required documentation,
the Division shall be authorized to register the vehicle pending the completion of the
verification of the vehicle. The registration shall be valid for one year but shall not be renewed
unless and until the vehicle examination has been completed.
(f) If a vehicle owner desires a vehicle title classification change, he or she may, upon
proper application, be eligible for a reclassification."
SECTION 6. Part 3 of Article 3 of Chapter 20 of the General Statutes is amended
by adding a new section to read:
"§ 20-53.3. Appeal of specially constructed vehicle classification determination to Vehicle
Classification Review Committee.
(a) Any person aggrieved by the Division's determination of the appropriate vehicle
classification for a specially constructed vehicle may request review of that determination by
the Vehicle Classification Review Committee. This review shall be initiated by completing a
Vehicle Classification Review Request and returning the request to the Division. The Vehicle
Classification Review Request shall be made on a form provided by the Division. The decision
of the Review Committee may be appealed to the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles.
(b) The Vehicle Classification Review Committee shall consist of five members as
follows:
SL2009-0405 Session Law 2009-405 Page 3

(1) Two members shall be personnel of the License and Theft Bureau of the
Division of Motor Vehicles appointed by the Commissioner.
(2) One member shall be a member of the public with expertise in antique or
specially constructed vehicles appointed by the Commissioner from a list of
nominees provided by the Antique Automobile Club of America.
(3) One member shall be a member of the public with expertise in antique or
specially constructed vehicles appointed by the Commissioner from a list of
nominees provided by the Specialty Equipment Market Association.
(4) One member shall be a member of the public with expertise in antique or
specially constructed vehicles appointed by the Commissioner from a list of
nominees provided by the National Corvette Restorers Society.
(c) Members of the Vehicle Classification Review Committee shall serve staggered
two-year terms. Initial appointments shall be made on or before October 1, 2009. The initial
appointment of one of the members from the License and Theft Bureau and the member
nominated by the Antique Automobile Club of America shall be for one year. The initial
appointments of the remaining members shall be for two years. At the expiration of these initial
terms, appointments shall be for two years. A member of the Committee may be removed at
any time by unanimous vote of the remaining four members. Vacancies shall be filled in the
manner set out in subsection (b) of this section."
SECTION 7. Sections 3 and 5 of this act are effective when this becomes law. The
remainder of this act becomes effective October 1, 2009.
In the General Assembly read three times and ratified this the 28th day of July, 2009.
s/ Walter H. Dalton
President of the Senate
s/ Joe Hackney
Speaker of the House of Representatives
s/ Beverly E. Perdue
Governor
Approved2:03 p.m. this 5th day of August, 2009
SL2009-0405 Session Law 2009-405 Page 3
 

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thanks T-Test that's a detailed piece of legislation you got there lol. tried getting 2 appraisals for the indemnity bond yesterday and couldn't find a dealership that would do it. they wanted to know who was making me do this and I said the state. they informed me that no dealership is gonna give me an appraisal since it is against company policy to do so????????????? im gonna call the inspector that came out to inspect the car on Monday. ill keep you posted and thanks again youguys for the help
 
Don't know what you paid for the bucket, but tell the appraisers[even crash investigators and body shops] to write one for $10,500.00 and the other for $15,500.00. Of course the State will use the higher appraisal for tax purposes. It's all about the money the State can get from you.
 
If I were in your shoes, I'd find a good attorney and let him do my talking. That usually brings all of the BS to a screeching halt.
After 50 years in business, I start with my attorney when I venture into something like this. Stops the idiots in their tracks.

Like some other have said, you should be able to get a new title by turning in the out of state title. An attorney would ask the dmv if the honor titles for other vehicles from the seller's state and I'd bet the answer would be yes so they have no excuse for not issuing you a similar title.
 
You should be able to transfer title from LA to NC since it's already built. If you really need a appraisal contact a company like Grundy, or other specialty insurance companies will have a list of appraisers that you could have one done through. Being from NC I bought cars from VA and had them title and tagged without problems as long the title is notarized.
 
I have an out of state bill of sale and a valid Louisiana title and the car is registered in Louisiana thru 7-15-15. I bought the car completed!!!!!!!!!
Considering all the hoops that Louisiana made me jump through to get my title, I would think that your title would be accepted with no questions.

I did have a problem last year with a VIN number that was issued from New Jersey on a kit car. I had a clear title from Florida on the car, but seems the Jersey VIN number didn't have enough characters in it (wasn't long enough) to suit Louisiana. The car had to be inspected by Towing and Recovery (Troopers) and I had to make a trip to Baton Rouge.

I hope you get it sorted. I thought Louisiana was tough!

Mike
 
My N.C, title VIN number has only 21 characters rather than the normal 17 .
 
It sounds like you are really having s major hassle but it will be worth it once you get is sorted out and you take that first drive. It makes me realize how lucky I am living in Alabama where it has been very simple to register and insure the car I bought. It was built, titled, given a VIN, and licensed in Louisiana and I bought it in Alabama after the owner/builder moved here. Titles are not required for factory built cars manufactured before 1975 and I don't know what the law (if any) says about home built cars. I took a bill of sale to the DMV and registered the car as a 1926 Ford Roadster. I insured it with Grundy by sending them a photo and filling out an application. I declared the value and they accepted it without an appraisal. Every time I see a story like this I worry a little bit that I may be in violation of the law here but I haven't had a problem so far.
 
update inspector came out and put the new north Carolina vin numbers on the car and the paperwork says 1923 ford convertible. need one more appraisal that must come from a licensed north carolina dealer. so im making progress !!!!!!!!!!! what started the whole mess was the louisiana title says 2d and my bucket has no doors. I was sent to the troopers at that point.
 
update got my second appraisal they didn't want to do it but I pleaded and got down on my knees and got it. went to get the indemnity bond and they said it will take 24 to 48 hours. then I get everything notorized and off to the dmv I go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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