Lowrollerchevy
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anyone run one like this ?
would like to know what its built out of and maybe approx length overall ?
would like to know what its built out of and maybe approx length overall ?
Anyone use an "X" style crossmember as a tranny mount ? pics ?
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Lowrollerchevy
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yea, thats why im curious if anyone actually uses one.
tfeverfred
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I've never seen a pic or heard of a T Bucket needing a "X" member. They're just so small, it would be overkill.
fluidfloyd
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Todd,
I agree with you as to high dollar. Quality work and attention to detail don't necessarily relate to cost. It takes the same amount of material and parts to build like minded cars. It's how you put them together that makes the difference.
As to K or X members. T bucket chassis are for the most part way to flexable in torsional twist. This is usually amplified due to radius rod type suspensions. There are several schools of thought on that subject and I will give you mine.
If you run the traditional front & rear radius rod suspension then I think that you need to have a frame that will twist to some degree. If the frame is extremely stiff then as it takes tire impacts it will tend to stress the radius rods and not the frame. That is why you do see failures in radius rods or bent/cracked frame brackets at times.
I prefer to have very stiff frames that resist any torsional twist. To do do that correctly you have to have a suspension that will articulate without bind or stress. Independent, 4 links, 3 links and torque arms are all good ways to do this. Given the small confines of a T bucket some are better choices then others. If you have a chassis that flexs, it becomes an unknown rate spring. Now you install a suspension spring of some type to do the work except it is not giving you a true spring working value. In a race car it becomes a real tuning problem I realize that T buckets are not world class touring machines and therefore there are a lot of compromises. They are are what they are, fun cars to drive. This just my view of things based on years of building both drag race and road race cars. At heart I still am a hot rodder and probably will combine both good and maybe not so good designs in my next project. Hope this will be of interest to some of you.
George
I agree with you as to high dollar. Quality work and attention to detail don't necessarily relate to cost. It takes the same amount of material and parts to build like minded cars. It's how you put them together that makes the difference.
As to K or X members. T bucket chassis are for the most part way to flexable in torsional twist. This is usually amplified due to radius rod type suspensions. There are several schools of thought on that subject and I will give you mine.
If you run the traditional front & rear radius rod suspension then I think that you need to have a frame that will twist to some degree. If the frame is extremely stiff then as it takes tire impacts it will tend to stress the radius rods and not the frame. That is why you do see failures in radius rods or bent/cracked frame brackets at times.
I prefer to have very stiff frames that resist any torsional twist. To do do that correctly you have to have a suspension that will articulate without bind or stress. Independent, 4 links, 3 links and torque arms are all good ways to do this. Given the small confines of a T bucket some are better choices then others. If you have a chassis that flexs, it becomes an unknown rate spring. Now you install a suspension spring of some type to do the work except it is not giving you a true spring working value. In a race car it becomes a real tuning problem I realize that T buckets are not world class touring machines and therefore there are a lot of compromises. They are are what they are, fun cars to drive. This just my view of things based on years of building both drag race and road race cars. At heart I still am a hot rodder and probably will combine both good and maybe not so good designs in my next project. Hope this will be of interest to some of you.
George
Ted Brown
Member
I have seen a whole lot of fancy detail, and chrome, that was not built correct in any way, even by so called experts, years on the road under many miles of stress, under every condition will tell the tale... Frames are to be none moving, if possable, because if it moves, you can not set up the suspension to do the same thing twice... AG/Supercharged cars test your true abillities... and when they are in the winners circle every week, that says something...
EX JUNK
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Brucer, I am using a Vega box and if you'll e-mail me at ***jimnnan42@bellsouth.net*** (remove the stars) I'll send you more detailed pictures if they will help you.
Jim
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