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I have a 350 in my "T" and as I drive down the road the temperature gage runs around 180.
Then all of a sudden the temperature rises to 260 but drops back down to 180 in less than
a minute. Checked with the heat gun and it shows around 180 to 190. Just had the radiator
flushed and running water and water wetter only. Could this be a sending unit problem
or what? Sure would appreciate all the help I can get.
Thanks Gary
 
How would I get the air bubble out?
Remove thermostat housing, drill a 1/8" hole in the flange of the thermostat. I always fill the coolant through the intake then install themostat then housing. Then top off the radiator, The 1/8" hole in the thermostat will burp the air out.
 
A pressure cap will help with the air bubble. I usually park the car in the driveway with the rad being the highest point, take the rad cap off and start the car. Once the thermostat opens it should push the air out of the engine.

This works for me.
 
Sure ,air pocket can do it,or just low water level=about the same thing. I see all the time were upper rad hose has a big hump in it=traps air,also when rad is mounted low{I like the look] but some don't put the rad cap/fill at highist point/there is a cap/fill that can go on top of intake vs having it on rad when that would be too low on some rods.
There one thing I like to also point out;lower rad hose can suck closed if no spring inside or weak hose;can =over heating like you are having as well.
A slipping water pump drive belt can also be a prob/happens a lot on alum pulleys.
Low water in engine can also make a temp gage read low and than high very very fast
 
I have to agree sounds like a thermostat problem. Putting a new one in quick and easy fix
 
An accurate gauge will go up and down as the thermostat opens and closes, until the all the water reaches or exceeds the thermostat rating.
The bleeder hole and suspect of sticking are very good advice. I had a 3/16 hole in my thermostat and had the T start pushing water out. I refilled and made it home by keeping it at a low cruise speed. A slight hill or load and the temp gauge would instantly move up. I guess the bleed hole allowed just enough coolant to keep me from cooking. Put in a new stat and all is well.
 
My roadster would do that when the thermostat would first open. Bought a new Quality stat problem gone.
 
The Sending unit is electrical. Just bought a new thermostat, forgot to put the 1/8" hole. The thermostat is a qualty one from NAPA.
Going to pull the thermostat out and drill a 1/8" hole tomorrow. Any suggestions on how to make sure I have enough water in
block and radator? Sure appreciate the input and all your help.
Thanks
Gary
 
You can fill it up before putting thermostat in.Then install stat jack up front of car making sure radiator cap is higher than block.
 
As with all things being cheap made, thermostats are becoming more troublesome. Every few years when you replace your belts, and plugs, wires, do the thermostat also, its cheap enough, then you have that piece of mind.

When I go to fill the cooling system, I pull the thermostat housing and start pouring the coolant in there, when its full, add thermo and housing, and finish it up at the radiator fill neck or hose fill neck....
 
We've stopped running thermostats all together, we now run restrictor plates. Summit sells a set of 3 in a kit, each with a different size hole in the middle. When we were building the Olds engine for my Son's rpu we called Mondello and they told us they never run thermostats and put us on to the restrictors. Since doing it all of our cars run cooler and we live in Florida, so that is saying something.

Don
 
I guess the thermostat is a restriction, it just makes the engine warm up faster by not allowing coolant to flow until the heat is there. No moving parts have to be more dependable and safer. Good point.
 
The restrictor hole can be too large of a diameter and the water can move so fast that the temp will escalate. I have been running them for years,, seems like it can be a compromise at either end too. I've had them where when the engine gets into traffic and heats way up it doesnt want to cool down quickly even at speed. On the other hand take forever to heat up fropm cold too,,, it takes some trial and error.
While out driving I have had my '71 Chevelle run 130 degrees on a 100 degree day. I usually start out at 5/8ths and go from there.
 
We've stopped running thermostats all together, we now run restrictor plates. Summit sells a set of 3 in a kit, each with a different size hole in the middle. When we were building the Olds engine for my Son's rpu we called Mondello and they told us they never run thermostats and put us on to the restrictors. Since doing it all of our cars run cooler and we live in Florida, so that is saying something.

Don

X2! I like to run a thermostat on a street car until the rings and cam are broke in....on the rings that can take a couple of thousand miles if running chrome moly rings. Cast doesn't take as long. Moly top w/cast 2nd about a thousand and then pop in the restrictor.
I usually just get the thermostat, cut the center out using a abrasive wheel, but if its a oddball, I use the restrictors....
 
The sender unit or the instrument display is a liar. If she really hit 260deg she would boil like a hog shaver bath. No way the temp could fluctuate that fast. Believe the heat gun after you test it on a kettle of boiling water (212degF 100degC).
JM2CW I always run a tstat on a street engine to keep the running temperature constant. A constant temperature means all the metal parts stay the same size with respect to one another. The tstat also makes for a faster warm up, less cold engine wear. Why do you think we warm Midget and Sprint engines up with a water heater and pump before we start 'em up? Cold engine wear, thats why - we learned the hard way.
 
The sender unit or the instrument display is a liar. If she really hit 260deg she would boil like a hog shaver bath. No way the temp could fluctuate that fast. Believe the heat gun after you test it on a kettle of boiling water (212degF 100degC).
JM2CW I always run a tstat on a street engine to keep the running temperature constant. A constant temperature means all the metal parts stay the same size with respect to one another. The tstat also makes for a faster warm up, less cold engine wear. Why do you think we warm Midget and Sprint engines up with a water heater and pump before we start 'em up? Cold engine wear, thats why - we learned the hard way.

Mango is right and has touched upon several points that maybe the ordinary street car driver might no fully recognize.
A T does not have all the sheet metal around it that the normal car has, so it usually runs cooler, more airflow to the radiator and cooling jackets. Yes, cooling jackets. Enclose a motor in a tight space, with only the radiator to cool it, it will run warmer than normal.

To make horsepower, you have to run lean, as in, not too overly rich, and you have to be efficient about it. Get the right timing, the right compression with the right mixture and the right intake flow and outward exhaust flow, your going to make horsepower. It is a strict byproduct of that efficiency I told you about.

A stock block and cast heads, depending on THEIR MAKE, some will run hotter than others. A car with a smaller radiator and a larger motor will run warmer. Throw a auto trans. with the cooler plumbed into that same radiator, and it gets quit toasty especially if there is a 3500 converter sitting behind something that has some power. See where I'm going with this?

Now, all the guys out there running alum. heads, run a thermo, because you need the heat to make power. But, its as Mango said, you need to heat there because those big alum. heads act as heat-sinks, running so much cooler than their cast iron counterparts. Alum. heads first came out in cars to lighten the front ends, thats way before be began to mess around with changing the centerlines on the valves and combustion chambers....
Thing is, every motor is different. If the motor runs cool, don't remove the thermo, if it runs hot, then run a restrictor. To make horsepower you gotta run hot, but heat can kill your auto trans. You gotta us your heads, We can give you info to make tons of power, but can you use it? Probably not on a street car.

Small radiator on a 390Fe or a Hi-Perf 396, even in a bucket, might run pretty warm. 205 and 210 isn't that warm anymore. In a pressurized cooling system, its pretty normal. 195 and 200 is pretty normal on thermostats. However, I like my coolant to be lower, in the 165 to 185 range, but I'm running alot of boost and a lot of static compression in a almost totally billet motor that has ALOT of stroke! My efficiency is way on up there and I'm fighting to keep mine cool on a cool day with 2 large SPAL fans and a big radiator.

Thing is, you have to make compromises. Compromises you like and can live with. Some motors run hotter than others. If you run a blown flathead....you cooling system better be up to snuff. The Thermostat helps cool your car by keeping your coolant in the water jacket until it heats up, then allows coolant to flow till its cool enough. Usually, when it opens, it does not close again, because that motor, is steadily putting out heat. It'll close somewhat, but not close all the way....If you use a restrictor that is the same size as your stock thermo housing, you'll have the right amount of back pressure within your cooling system.

If your worried about pumping your coolant too fast, if your running your stock pump, your probably OK, you can always change your pulley to get more flow or less flow. Its all a series of compromises!
 

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