For some reason or several, this post got under my skin. Maybe it's the unsafe advice from a 4th time poster? Maybe it's because you go out of your way to try and draw the original poster away from this site and to the H.A.M in your opening sentence. That site was mentioned several times and I almost feel as if it were a form of advertising. Maybe it's because the link was listed as well? Something here just stinks to high heaven and I can't seem to put my finger on it. Can anyone else help me with this? Is this the detractor that Mike made reference to last week?
I didn't mean to make anyone mad or upset.
All I wanted to point out is that those parts everyone was condemning has value to some people and the HAMB is where you can find them. I suggested he could sell them to those people and then use that money towards completing his car in a manner that mirrors the opinions here on this forum - which seemed to be a better fit for him, I thought. He had "Medic" in his name so I reasoned safety was probably foremost in his thoughts. I've worked in the medical field and you don't want the appearance of being unsafe or you're looked at as reckless or uncaring. Newly manufactured parts look safer than old parts welded together in someone's garage.
I thought that hiding a frame that was stronger than needed inside the decorative model T frame was a reasonably good idea. If the new frame inside the model T frame would be strong enough on it's own to do the job, then having the model T frame surround it wouldn't make it any weaker, now would it? Saying it is dangerous no matter how it is done is hyperbole. In the frame I suggested, the model T part of the frame was basically decoration. But you didn't understand that, did you? That's OK. It doesn't mean you're dumb, just a little quick to pull the trigger on an idea that's different than yours. I've been guilty of that myself. I think we all probably have.
Sure it would be easier and less work to build a frame out of new square steel or DOM - just like you did. It also would also be lighter. Building like yours would have those advantages. It would also be easier and less work to buy a PT Cruiser. There would even be some advantages over owning a T bucket. It's really just a discussion of degrees. How antique do you want it to look? PT Cruisers look antique, sort of. If the OP desires a genuine 70 year old model T frame, I provided a way to safely do that. Hiding a really, really, really strong frame, stronger than anyone could ever need, inside the purely decorative model T frame would have the advantage of looking more antique than one made of square tube or DOM. That's about the only advantage. If that doesn't float your boat, don't do it.
I was just posting a different opinion than those that were already posted. I'm a little sorry if that got under your skin, but not enough to loose any sleep over. I didn't mean for it to bug you. I just thought we were all chiming in with our opinions. How many posts do you recommend before we disagree? Does disagreeing make us "detractors?" Does the guy with the most posts have the best ideas?
I have no reason to draw anyone away from this site to the HAMB. It's not like I get a commission. I don't really care if he checks them out or not. I was just trying to help the guy with his build. 'Guess I'd better not say anything about the NTBA site either, or are they OK to mention?
I guess you think that when the HAMB gets more members, it takes them away from here? I don't think it's like that at all. I think it's more like a mall that draws a lot shoppers to all the stores. I think that if people from here post on the HAMB, they'll likely mention tbucketeers.com. In fact, that's how I found it! It's not a zero sum equation where if a person reads the HAMB, they never come back. Is there some sort of rivalry going on between this site and the HAMB? Is it uncool to mention the HAMB on this forum? If so, I won't mention it out of respect for everyone, but that seems a little odd and childish to me.
I hate posting and emailing. No one can see your facial expressions or hear the tone in your voice, so things get taken in a bad way sometimes. Sometimes readers turn the volume all the way up when soft words were typed. You guys need to not get your feelings hurt so easily - especially when I didn't mean to hurt them. Sheesh!
You guys really proved the point about human nature scoffing at anything that's different from us. I don't care if saying that does get under your skin. It's true. You can be mad at me for saying that if you want - I don't care. I'm not going out of my way to make you or anyone else mad. I'm just typing some ideas about T buckets. If that makes you mad, so be it. It is not my intention anger or offend you. I think you all (that got mad) should have thicker skin. That way we can have a civil conversation, exchange ideas and learn from each other.
You guys know a lot of stuff that I don't. I value that, and want to hear more of your ideas and experiences. However, there might be a slight possibility of a remote chance that I may, one day far off in the future, stumble upon someone who knows something you don't, and I just might repeat what they told me to you. But if we're all attacking each other like a bunch of junior high school girls, we can't listen, and we'll all just end up calling each other names until we feel like we've "won."
I really am kind of likeable once you get to know me. And I am truly sorry if I offended someone or caused suspicion of steeling members or whatever. I don't enjoy upsetting people. But if you're attacking me personally in order to discredit an idea, so that people will listen to you over me, I stop caring about your feelings. They are just a tool you're using to get people to listen to you over me.
I am not important. Whether you like me or think I'm smart is not important. It's the information and ideas that's important. Try discrediting them, not me. Who am I that you would take notice of me? I'm just some random guy typing some words on a screen.
If you think using a T bucket frame is dangerous, explain why! Don't just say it's a bad idea. How the heck is anyone supposed to learn from that? I'll bet you didn't even examine the picture in my first post.
. wsdad was simply suggesting that this original frame would have some value to the right person and to please not throw it away. They are 90 years old and non replaceable. What is so wrong with that? He sounded pretty compassionate about saving it even willing to drive and pick it up himself to save it from the scrapper. The HAMB is the only site I know of where something like this might be wanted so I don't see what the big deal is about referencing it. HAMB content is nothing even remotely close to this site so it's not like he is trying to STEAL everyone from here. I am a member there as well but definitely not for T-bucket content....
